From damien at mc-kenna.com Thu Jun 1 13:02:49 2006 From: damien at mc-kenna.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:48 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Windows graphics system flawed? Say it ain't so! Message-ID: http://www.apcstart.com/site/dwarne/2006/06/193/windows-graphics- system-to-be-overhauled -- Damien McKenna, husband, father, geek. damien@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/ From hescominsoon at emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Thu Jun 1 16:34:20 2006 From: hescominsoon at emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:48 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] server build Message-ID: <447F4F4C.5050809@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> I am looking for a server vendor. The main thing i am looking for is a dual-core single socket machine that only "special" thing i need is a RAC.(remote access card). I like the dell drac but i want something opteron based. -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" CDTT (Certified Duct Tape Technician) Linux user #322099 Machines: 206822 256638 276825 http://counter.li.org/ From hescominsoon at emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Thu Jun 1 17:28:51 2006 From: hescominsoon at emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:48 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] server build In-Reply-To: <447F4F4C.5050809@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <447F4F4C.5050809@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <447F5C13.1000405@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> anyone have any vendor suggestions? William Warren wrote: > I am looking for a server vendor. The main thing i am looking for is a > dual-core single socket machine that only "special" thing i need is a > RAC.(remote access card). I like the dell drac but i want something > opteron based. -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" CDTT (Certified Duct Tape Technician) Linux user #322099 Machines: 206822 256638 276825 http://counter.li.org/ From damien at mc-kenna.com Thu Jun 1 17:29:00 2006 From: damien at mc-kenna.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:48 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] server build In-Reply-To: <447F5C13.1000405@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <447F4F4C.5050809@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <447F5C13.1000405@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: On Jun 1, 2006, at 5:28 PM, William Warren wrote: > anyone have any vendor suggestions? http://www.sun.com/ No idea on the remote access card though. -- Damien McKenna, husband, father, geek. damien@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/ From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Jun 1 19:17:42 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:48 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] server build In-Reply-To: <447F4F4C.5050809@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <447F4F4C.5050809@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <1149203862.23886.36.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 16:34 -0400, William Warren wrote: > I am looking for a server vendor. The main thing i am looking for is a > dual-core single socket machine that only "special" thing i need is a > RAC.(remote access card). I like the dell drac but i want something > opteron based. There are several Tier-2 vendors who will sell you such a solution. ServerMicro and Tyan have several "whitebox" OEM solutions they build upon. And that includes the option for a management processor. The Red Hat AMD64 list is an excellent list to find several of these vendors, and they will support Linux far better than anyone Tier-1 short of HP: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/amd64-list If you want a Tier-1 OEM, HP. You can always get a DL145 with just one dual-core processor. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------- Illegal Immigration = "Representation Without Taxation" From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Jun 1 19:19:26 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:48 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Windows graphics system flawed? Say it ain't so! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1149203966.23886.39.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 13:02 -0400, Damien McKenna wrote: > http://www.apcstart.com/site/dwarne/2006/06/193/windows-graphics- > system-to-be-overhauled There has been some major comparisons of SuSE Linux 10.1 and its full compiz-based Xgl (OpenGL) environment to the Windows Vista builds with WGF 1.1 (DX9). In a nutshell, Vista _tanks_ on old (3-4 year-old) hardware. SuSE Linux 10.1 runs very nicely on old (3-4 year-old) hardware. Vista will _suck_ unless you have a serious CPU to match the _limited_ GPU acceleration in WGF 1.1. Wait for WGF 2.0 (DX10). -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------- Illegal Immigration = "Representation Without Taxation" From ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net Thu Jun 1 20:14:29 2006 From: ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net (Austin Denyer (Ozz)) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:48 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] server build In-Reply-To: <447F4F4C.5050809@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <447F4F4C.5050809@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <20060601201429.8c2e1747.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:34:20 -0400, William Warren wrote: > > I am looking for a server vendor. The main thing i am looking for is a > dual-core single socket machine that only "special" thing i need is a > RAC.(remote access card). I like the dell drac but i want something > opteron based. Here's what I do. If I'm not in any hurry (I can wait a month) I go Monarch Computer www.monarchcomputer.com Monarch do also sell the RACs - I consider them crucial for mission-critical servers. If I want it in a hurry I go Dell (much as I hate Dell, I can order a server on Monday and be using it by Thursday). Regards, Ozz. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.matrixlist.com/pipermail/pc_support/attachments/20060601/7ab6d42d/attachment.bin From hescominsoon at emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Fri Jun 2 08:10:46 2006 From: hescominsoon at emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:48 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] server build In-Reply-To: <20060601201429.8c2e1747.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> References: <447F4F4C.5050809@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <20060601201429.8c2e1747.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> Message-ID: <44802AC6.7070804@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> i'll have to call monarch as i have not been able to get a rac inside one of their opty boxes from the website yet. Austin (Ozz) Denyer wrote: > On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:34:20 -0400, William Warren > wrote: >> I am looking for a server vendor. The main thing i am looking for is a >> dual-core single socket machine that only "special" thing i need is a >> RAC.(remote access card). I like the dell drac but i want something >> opteron based. > > Here's what I do. > > If I'm not in any hurry (I can wait a month) I go Monarch Computer > www.monarchcomputer.com > > Monarch do also sell the RACs - I consider them crucial for > mission-critical servers. > > If I want it in a hurry I go Dell (much as I hate Dell, I can order a > server on Monday and be using it by Thursday). > > Regards, > Ozz. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Pc_support mailing list > Pc_support@matrixlist.com > http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" CDTT (Certified Duct Tape Technician) Linux user #322099 Machines: 206822 256638 276825 http://counter.li.org/ From b.j.smith at ieee.org Fri Jun 2 08:24:45 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] server build In-Reply-To: <44802AC6.7070804@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <447F4F4C.5050809@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <20060601201429.8c2e1747.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> <44802AC6.7070804@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <1149251085.23886.167.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 08:10 -0400, William Warren wrote: > i'll have to call monarch as i have not been able to get a rac inside > one of their opty boxes from the website yet. A lot of people have been complaining about them -- from delays to mis-configurations/issues. I haven't experienced this myself, but I haven't purchased to many full systems from them. ASL (http://www.aslab.com) has been around since the mid-to-late '90s, and many of us in the semiconductor industry at the time (including Intel and Transmeta) used to use them for Linux systems. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------- Illegal Immigration = "Representation Without Taxation" From ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net Fri Jun 2 11:18:58 2006 From: ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net (ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] server build In-Reply-To: <44802AC6.7070804@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <447F4F4C.5050809@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <20060601201429.8c2e1747.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> <44802AC6.7070804@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <46794.69.176.47.130.1149261538.squirrel@www.ozz.is-a-geek.net> > i'll have to call monarch as i have not been able to get a rac inside > one of their opty boxes from the website yet. You will find that some of the motherboards contain what you need built-in. Check the motherboard specs when you are in the configurator. Several have built-in LOM (Lights-Out Management) which is the same as RAC. Regards, Ozz. From ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net Fri Jun 2 17:12:27 2006 From: ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net (Austin Denyer (Ozz)) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] server build In-Reply-To: <1149251085.23886.167.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <447F4F4C.5050809@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <20060601201429.8c2e1747.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> <44802AC6.7070804@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <1149251085.23886.167.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <20060602171227.fe3c6064.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 08:24:45 -0400, "Bryan J. Smith" wrote: > > A lot of people have been complaining about them -- from delays to > mis-configurations/issues. I haven't experienced this myself, but I > haven't purchased to many full systems from them. My personal experience is that components and sub-assemblies (mobo/cpu/ram combos for example) ship very quickly. Full systems take forever. I have never had any quality issues with them - just delivery for systems. > ASL (http://www.aslab.com) has been around since the mid-to-late '90s, > and many of us in the semiconductor industry at the time (including > Intel and Transmeta) used to use them for Linux systems. Hmmm - Interesting. I might give them a try next time... Thanks for the link. Regards, Ozz. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.matrixlist.com/pipermail/pc_support/attachments/20060602/eb69a9a9/attachment.bin From thomas at tecsplace.com Tue Jun 6 21:09:28 2006 From: thomas at tecsplace.com (Thomas Carlson) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] server build In-Reply-To: <20060601201429.8c2e1747.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> References: <447F4F4C.5050809@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <20060601201429.8c2e1747.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> Message-ID: <1149642568.2471.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> I like monarch, since the company is very linux friendly. However, I agree their shipping time for a full system is quite long. I ordered a machine last week and will report back on how quick it arrives. Cheers, Thomas On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 20:14 -0400, Austin Denyer wrote: > On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:34:20 -0400, William Warren > wrote: > > > > I am looking for a server vendor. The main thing i am looking for is a > > dual-core single socket machine that only "special" thing i need is a > > RAC.(remote access card). I like the dell drac but i want something > > opteron based. > > Here's what I do. > > If I'm not in any hurry (I can wait a month) I go Monarch Computer > www.monarchcomputer.com > > Monarch do also sell the RACs - I consider them crucial for > mission-critical servers. > > If I want it in a hurry I go Dell (much as I hate Dell, I can order a > server on Monday and be using it by Thursday). > > Regards, > Ozz. > _______________________________________________ > Pc_support mailing list > Pc_support@matrixlist.com > http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support From ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net Tue Jun 6 21:43:05 2006 From: ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net (Austin Denyer (Ozz)) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] server build In-Reply-To: <1149642568.2471.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <447F4F4C.5050809@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <20060601201429.8c2e1747.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> <1149642568.2471.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060606214305.7c1f990a.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 18:09:28 -0700, Thomas Carlson wrote: > > I like monarch, since the company is very linux friendly. However, I > agree their shipping time for a full system is quite long. We would use them a lot more if they could get their system turnaround half-way decent. We just ordered another rackmount server. I would have loved to have given the $5k to Monarch (and got an Opteron server), but when their delivery is close to 20 days (even with "Hot Rush" delivery!) it's hard to justify when Dell can get us a server (albeit Xeon) in 3 days - even though Monarch were cheaper (and that's after we beat Dell down $2k from $7k)... > I ordered a machine last week and will report back on how quick it > arrives. I'm sure you'll love it when it finally arrives. Out of interest, what system did you get? Regards, Ozz. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.matrixlist.com/pipermail/pc_support/attachments/20060606/41c995b5/attachment.bin From tec at speakeasy.net Wed Jun 7 23:21:26 2006 From: tec at speakeasy.net (Thomas) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] server build In-Reply-To: <20060606214305.7c1f990a.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> References: <447F4F4C.5050809@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <20060601201429.8c2e1747.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> <1149642568.2471.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060606214305.7c1f990a.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> Message-ID: <1149736886.2431.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Well, work wanted me to watch the budget and this wasn't a server, so I picked at Furia Value Workstation... http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=90383 I'd have to check, but I think I bought it before Brian posted his thoughts on the AM2 Socket based motherboards which look really good. Cheers, Thomas On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 21:43 -0400, Austin Denyer wrote: > On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 18:09:28 -0700, Thomas Carlson > wrote: > > > > I like monarch, since the company is very linux friendly. However, I > > agree their shipping time for a full system is quite long. > > We would use them a lot more if they could get their system turnaround > half-way decent. > > We just ordered another rackmount server. I would have loved to have > given the $5k to Monarch (and got an Opteron server), but when their > delivery is close to 20 days (even with "Hot Rush" delivery!) it's hard > to justify when Dell can get us a server (albeit Xeon) in 3 days - even > though Monarch were cheaper (and that's after we beat Dell down $2k from > $7k)... > > > I ordered a machine last week and will report back on how quick it > > arrives. > > I'm sure you'll love it when it finally arrives. > > Out of interest, what system did you get? > > Regards, > Ozz. > _______________________________________________ > Pc_support mailing list > Pc_support@matrixlist.com > http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support From thomas at tecsplace.com Wed Jun 7 23:23:24 2006 From: thomas at tecsplace.com (Thomas Carlson) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] server build In-Reply-To: <20060606214305.7c1f990a.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> References: <447F4F4C.5050809@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <20060601201429.8c2e1747.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> <1149642568.2471.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060606214305.7c1f990a.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> Message-ID: <1149737005.2431.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Well, work wanted me to watch the budget and this wasn't a server, so I picked at Furia Value Workstation... http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=90383 I'd have to check, but I think I bought it before Brian posted ( Thanks for the great info! :) ) his thoughts on the AM2 Socket based motherboards which look really good. Cheers, Thomas On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 21:43 -0400, Austin Denyer wrote: > On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 18:09:28 -0700, Thomas Carlson > wrote: > > > > I like monarch, since the company is very linux friendly. However, I > > agree their shipping time for a full system is quite long. > > We would use them a lot more if they could get their system turnaround > half-way decent. > > We just ordered another rackmount server. I would have loved to have > given the $5k to Monarch (and got an Opteron server), but when their > delivery is close to 20 days (even with "Hot Rush" delivery!) it's hard > to justify when Dell can get us a server (albeit Xeon) in 3 days - even > though Monarch were cheaper (and that's after we beat Dell down $2k from > $7k)... > > > I ordered a machine last week and will report back on how quick it > > arrives. > > I'm sure you'll love it when it finally arrives. > > Out of interest, what system did you get? > > Regards, > Ozz. > _______________________________________________ > Pc_support mailing list > Pc_support@matrixlist.com > http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Jun 8 00:51:28 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: server build -- _never_ use desktop mainboards in servers In-Reply-To: <1149736886.2431.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <447F4F4C.5050809@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <20060601201429.8c2e1747.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> <1149642568.2471.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060606214305.7c1f990a.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> <1149736886.2431.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1149742288.2747.40.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 20:21 -0700, Thomas wrote: > Well, work wanted me to watch the budget and this wasn't a server, so I > picked at Furia Value Workstation... > http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=90383 > I'd have to check, but I think I bought it before Brian posted his > thoughts on the AM2 Socket based motherboards which look really good. Socket-939 and Socket-AM2 (new 940) aren't different in performance, except Socket-AM2 is the future, more flexible and you're going to quickly be paying a premium for older Socket-939 solutions by year's end. Just FYI, in case I haven't mentioned it before (not directed at anyone) ... Socket-AM2 (940) is designed for _desktops_. Socket-F (LGA-1207) is designed for _servers_. *NEVER* run a desktop mainboard for a server -- *NEVER*. Non-graphics I/O can be 10-20x _slower_ -- which _kills_ as server. For a (dated, but still good) set of fundamentals in an article, see my 2004 November Sys Admin article here: "Dissecting PC Server Performance" http://www.samag.com/documents/sam0411b/ Now Socket-F isn't out yet, so Socket-940 (not the new AM2, but the original Socket-940) was designed for _servers_. Or for uniprocessor servers, there are low-cost Socket-939 Opterons and mainboards designed with 8x the non-graphics I/O for servers. I wrote about several of these, as well as Intel options, here: http://thebs413.blogspot.com/2005/12/budget-uniprocessor-pc-servers-wip.html If you're paying under $200 for a mainboard, it was _never_ designed for server use. You need PCI-X or newer PCIe x8 communication/storage slots -- along with higher-end NICs on-board (or _real_ GbEs added via PCI-X or PCIe slots). I snapped off some shots of _real_ server hardware at LinuxWorld in April: http://thebs413.blogspot.com/2006/04/server-hardware-at-linuxworld.html There's a reason why desktop hardware is cheaper -- it _sucks_ at server I/O. Heck, for just about 25% more, you can assemble a server that is 3x faster because it's not an I/O nightmare like 99% of desktops. Just in case anyone wasn't aware that Socket-AM2 is _not_ designed for servers. ;-> -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------- Illegal Immigration = "Representation Without Taxation" From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Jun 8 09:50:13 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: [OT] One more time =?windows-1251?q?=85?= Windows Vista system requirements In-Reply-To: <1149761465.5789.7.camel@P-733.mwmcmlln> References: <200606071155.11047.fmiller@lightlink.com> <1149761465.5789.7.camel@P-733.mwmcmlln> Message-ID: <1149774613.10388.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:55 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote: > http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=10&tag=nl.e539 On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 06:11 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote: > It's nice to know that my video cards (on five systems) won't even > meet the minimum Vista install standards. Yep, you _must_ have a DirectX 9 era video card -- and you still get _no_ GPU off-load. That is because Windows Graphics Foundations (WGF) 1.1 is completely based on DirectX 9. That means at least an integrated graphics generation of NV44 (GeForce 6100) and little else -- typically stuff that is just coming out from ATI and Intel. So anyone who hasn't bought a PC with integrated graphics within the past year when Vista comes out can't even run it. Let me say that again, I'm not talking about not running the Avalon presentation system "well" -- I'm talking about virtually not being able to run it at all! WGF 1.1 seems to be a pretty horrendous and inefficient API and off-load (possibly lackthereof) for just running the old GDI/Explorer interfaces on Avalon. Now let's say you want to actually take advantage of GPU off-load -- the whole reason for WGF/Avalon -- to make the experience faster and smoother like MacOS X's QuartzExtreme, SuSE's Xgl, etc... You're basically dropping money on a $300 video card! And why is that? Because DirectX has never been (and possibly never will be) OpenGL. Avalon really relies on serious GPU horsepower so DirectX can do basic things that OpenGL does on hardware from 4 years ago! Microsoft was supposed to have DirectX 10 completed by now, and Windows Graphics Foundations (WGF) 2.0 in Vista. That would have, allegedly, brought DirectX up to par on OpenGL in many regards that would make Avalon usable on lesser hardware. From my understanding, Microsoft was getting serious (especially now that it owns many patents) on just leveraging various OpenGL/ARB extension support in most hardware that it has ignored for the longest time because they're not use for games -- until now for DirectX 10 / WGF 2.0. But in any case, WGF 2.0 is _not_ going in Vista. Microsoft is stuck with all the limitations of DirectX 9 in world setup, standard GPU off-load (or lackthereof), hack upon hack to handle all the GDI/Explorer interfaces in Avalon itself, etc... And it really sounds a lot more like more software layers than hardware speed-up -- stuff that Microsoft never would have needed for gaming in DirectX 9, but now finds itself longing and wishing it would have (let alone just stuck with OpenGL back in the mid-'90s on Chicago in the first place, like it did NT). Hence why Vista can't do squat on anything but on expensive, 2004+ era leading-edge video hardware, or 2006+ chipset integrated hardware -- whereas SuSE and Fedora can take basic, 2001-2002 era hardware, or 2003-2004 chipset era integrated hardware -- and do _full_ GPU off-load. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------- Illegal Immigration = "Representation Without Taxation" From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Jun 8 09:56:47 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: [OT] One more time =?windows-1251?q?=85?= Windows Vista system requirements In-Reply-To: <1149774613.10388.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <200606071155.11047.fmiller@lightlink.com> <1149761465.5789.7.camel@P-733.mwmcmlln> <1149774613.10388.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <1149775007.10388.26.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 09:50 -0400, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > Now let's say you want to actually take advantage of GPU off-load -- the > whole reason for WGF/Avalon -- to make the experience faster and > smoother like MacOS X's QuartzExtreme, SuSE's Xgl, etc... You're > basically dropping money on a $300 video card! And why is that? > Because DirectX has never been (and possibly never will be) OpenGL. > Avalon really relies on serious GPU horsepower so DirectX can do basic > things that OpenGL does on hardware from 4 years ago! Last comment on this ... BTW, why would Microsoft care or have an incentive to create an efficient API that better off-loads the GPU and its framebuffer? I know everyone complains it's really about eye-candy, but anyone the first thing about and has used MacOS X's QuartzExtreme or SuSE 10.x's Compiz extensively _knows_ it's more about a _faster_ desktop through GPU-offload. I've been arguing this for years ever since Apple made it commodity with moderate (not even leading edge) 2001-2002 era hardware. But in the case of Vista, it _is_ eye-candy! That's the _only_ reason for it! And they _like_ the idea that it takes more hardware, because they did a botched-up job in software! Microsoft has moved from the PC OEM to the superstore. It's partners are not only trying to sell you the latest PC, but also to sell upgrades for it. A better video card than chipset integrated, a much higher-end, $1,500+ premium notebook (with notebook sales still gaining more and more of the market) instead of the $500 model. You have it right there in the superstore -- on the shelf -- and users can see the difference. And retailers see the difference in a +$300-1,000 sale. As an engineer, this insults me, but 90+% of consumers have themselves to blame, which is why it happens. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------- Illegal Immigration = "Representation Without Taxation" From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Thu Jun 8 10:55:24 2006 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[Pc=5FSupport]_Re:_[OT]_One_more_time_=85_W?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?indows_Vista_system_=09requirements?= In-Reply-To: <1149775007.10388.26.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <200606071155.11047.fmiller@lightlink.com> <1149761465.5789.7.camel@P-733.mwmcmlln> <1149774613.10388.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1149775007.10388.26.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <1023F187-9239-4DB9-9D70-ACDF9F658D88@thelimucompany.com> BTW this also explains why there are comments of game incompatibility with Vista - DirectX is getting confused on whether it should be rendering the UI or the game. POS all-round. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - dmckenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Thu Jun 8 11:52:10 2006 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[Pc=5FSupport]_Re:_[OT]_One_more_time_=85_W?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?indows_Vista_system_=09requirements?= In-Reply-To: <1149774613.10388.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <200606071155.11047.fmiller@lightlink.com> <1149761465.5789.7.camel@P-733.mwmcmlln> <1149774613.10388.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <0586A888-E463-4CD1-8695-CF493184D385@thelimucompany.com> On Jun 8, 2006, at 9:50 AM, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > Now let's say you want to actually take advantage of GPU off-load > -- the > whole reason for WGF/Avalon -- to make the experience faster and > smoother like MacOS X's QuartzExtreme, SuSE's Xgl, etc... You're > basically dropping money on a $300 video card! You said yourself that a DirectX9-compatible video card will work, so basically anything from a Radeon 9200 onwards or a Geforce 6000 series onwards, which puts the price well under $100 for even new cards. Even $150 will give people plenty of video speed. Heck, you can even get those cards in PCI flavors for people without AGP or PCI- e slots. Am I missing something? -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - dmckenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Jun 8 14:42:30 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: [OT] One more time =?windows-1251?Q?=85?= Windows Vista system requirements In-Reply-To: <1023F187-9239-4DB9-9D70-ACDF9F658D88@thelimucompany.com> References: <200606071155.11047.fmiller@lightlink.com> <1149761465.5789.7.camel@P-733.mwmcmlln> <1149774613.10388.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1149775007.10388.26.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1023F187-9239-4DB9-9D70-ACDF9F658D88@thelimucompany.com> Message-ID: <1149792150.10388.32.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 10:55 -0400, Damien McKenna wrote: > BTW this also explains why there are comments of game incompatibility > with Vista - DirectX is getting confused on whether it should be > rendering the UI or the game. POS all-round. It's really because of the separation of the GDI from DX. Microsoft never addressed it, unlike GLX (OpenGL on X). -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------- Illegal Immigration = "Representation Without Taxation" From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Jun 8 14:45:13 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: [OT] One more time =?windows-1251?Q?=85?= Windows Vista system requirements In-Reply-To: <0586A888-E463-4CD1-8695-CF493184D385@thelimucompany.com> References: <200606071155.11047.fmiller@lightlink.com> <1149761465.5789.7.camel@P-733.mwmcmlln> <1149774613.10388.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <0586A888-E463-4CD1-8695-CF493184D385@thelimucompany.com> Message-ID: <1149792313.10388.36.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 11:52 -0400, Damien McKenna wrote: > You said yourself that a DirectX9-compatible video card will work, so > basically anything from a Radeon 9200 onwards Er, I think you mean Radeon 9500 (R300-series), the 9200 is the same series as the 8500 (R200-series). > or a Geforce 6000 series onwards, which puts the price well under $100 > for even new cards. Even $150 will give people plenty of video > speed. Heck, you can even get those cards in PCI flavors for people > without AGP or PCI-e slots. Am I missing something? Yes, you're missing a huge point. A NV4x/R3xx is the minimum to run Vista in _legacy_ GDI/Explorer mode. I.e., it runs _much_slower_ to show the _exact_same_ as you have with XP already! You're _not_ using the new Avalon system at all. If you want to actually leverage your GPU with Avalon and get any performance kick and features, you need a _lot_ more power. So it's rather self-defeating -- because you could get the same without it. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------- Illegal Immigration = "Representation Without Taxation" From damien at mc-kenna.com Thu Jun 8 15:41:35 2006 From: damien at mc-kenna.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[Pc=5FSupport]_Re:_[OT]_One_more_time_=85_W?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?indows_Vista_system_=09requirements?= In-Reply-To: <1149792313.10388.36.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <200606071155.11047.fmiller@lightlink.com> <1149761465.5789.7.camel@P-733.mwmcmlln> <1149774613.10388.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <0586A888-E463-4CD1-8695-CF493184D385@thelimucompany.com> <1149792313.10388.36.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <165A6B23-C543-4DA9-AA81-8A525ADDFF08@mc-kenna.com> On Jun 8, 2006, at 2:45 PM, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 11:52 -0400, Damien McKenna wrote: >> You said yourself that a DirectX9-compatible video card will work, so >> basically anything from a Radeon 9200 onwards > > Er, I think you mean Radeon 9500 (R300-series), the 9200 is the same > series as the 8500 (R200-series). My mistake, the 9200 is only DX8.1. The 9550 can be have for $45 off NewEgg, ditto for the Geforce 5000/6000 series which are DX9 compatible. >> or a Geforce 6000 series onwards, which puts the price well under >> $100 >> for even new cards. Even $150 will give people plenty of video >> speed. Heck, you can even get those cards in PCI flavors for people >> without AGP or PCI-e slots. Am I missing something? > > Yes, you're missing a huge point. Nope. > A NV4x/R3xx is the minimum to run Vista in _legacy_ GDI/Explorer mode. > I.e., it runs _much_slower_ to show the _exact_same_ as you have > with XP > already! You're _not_ using the new Avalon system at all. I know that, but it is at least enough to run the darn thing, which is all most people (who aren't interested/willing to pay for a whole new POS) want. -- Damien McKenna, husband, father, geek. damien@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/ From hescominsoon at emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Thu Jun 8 16:43:53 2006 From: hescominsoon at emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5BPc=5FSupport=5D_Re=3A_=5BOT=5D_?= =?windows-1252?Q?One_more_time_=85_Windows_Vista_system__?= =?windows-1252?Q?requirements?= In-Reply-To: <165A6B23-C543-4DA9-AA81-8A525ADDFF08@mc-kenna.com> References: <200606071155.11047.fmiller@lightlink.com> <1149761465.5789.7.camel@P-733.mwmcmlln> <1149774613.10388.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <0586A888-E463-4CD1-8695-CF493184D385@thelimucompany.com> <1149792313.10388.36.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <165A6B23-C543-4DA9-AA81-8A525ADDFF08@mc-kenna.com> Message-ID: <44888C09.6000708@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Of course you can run a linux distro or even a Mac which with older technology(ie mac osx first version) had the features vista is trying to do now but with much cheaper hardware. Vista is a horrible kludge and correct me if i am wrong but despite MS's protests otherwise vista is nothing but a reskin of xp which is a reskin of 2k which is a reskinned nt. Yes they have mad echanges but the very core is still nt based. Damien McKenna wrote: > On Jun 8, 2006, at 2:45 PM, Bryan J. Smith wrote: >> On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 11:52 -0400, Damien McKenna wrote: >>> You said yourself that a DirectX9-compatible video card will work, so >>> basically anything from a Radeon 9200 onwards >> >> Er, I think you mean Radeon 9500 (R300-series), the 9200 is the same >> series as the 8500 (R200-series). > > My mistake, the 9200 is only DX8.1. The 9550 can be have for $45 off > NewEgg, ditto for the Geforce 5000/6000 series which are DX9 compatible. > >>> or a Geforce 6000 series onwards, which puts the price well under $100 >>> for even new cards. Even $150 will give people plenty of video >>> speed. Heck, you can even get those cards in PCI flavors for people >>> without AGP or PCI-e slots. Am I missing something? >> >> Yes, you're missing a huge point. > > Nope. > >> A NV4x/R3xx is the minimum to run Vista in _legacy_ GDI/Explorer mode. >> I.e., it runs _much_slower_ to show the _exact_same_ as you have with XP >> already! You're _not_ using the new Avalon system at all. > > I know that, but it is at least enough to run the darn thing, which is > all most people (who aren't interested/willing to pay for a whole new > POS) want. > > --Damien McKenna, husband, father, geek. > damien@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Pc_support mailing list > Pc_support@matrixlist.com > http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support > -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" CDTT (Certified Duct Tape Technician) Linux user #322099 Machines: 206822 256638 276825 http://counter.li.org/ From hescominsoon at emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Thu Jun 8 18:41:38 2006 From: hescominsoon at emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] server build In-Reply-To: <1149737005.2431.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <447F4F4C.5050809@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <20060601201429.8c2e1747.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> <1149642568.2471.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060606214305.7c1f990a.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> <1149737005.2431.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4488A7A2.1090503@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> I am curious. Does IPMI allow the same type of console redirection access the dell drac 4 does? Thomas Carlson wrote: > Well, work wanted me to watch the budget and this wasn't a server, so I > picked at Furia Value Workstation... > > http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=90383 > > I'd have to check, but I think I bought it before Brian posted ( Thanks for the great info! :) ) his > thoughts on the AM2 Socket based motherboards which look really good. > > Cheers, > > Thomas > > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 21:43 -0400, Austin Denyer wrote: >> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 18:09:28 -0700, Thomas Carlson >> wrote: >>> I like monarch, since the company is very linux friendly. However, I >>> agree their shipping time for a full system is quite long. >> We would use them a lot more if they could get their system turnaround >> half-way decent. >> >> We just ordered another rackmount server. I would have loved to have >> given the $5k to Monarch (and got an Opteron server), but when their >> delivery is close to 20 days (even with "Hot Rush" delivery!) it's hard >> to justify when Dell can get us a server (albeit Xeon) in 3 days - even >> though Monarch were cheaper (and that's after we beat Dell down $2k from >> $7k)... >> >>> I ordered a machine last week and will report back on how quick it >>> arrives. >> I'm sure you'll love it when it finally arrives. >> >> Out of interest, what system did you get? >> >> Regards, >> Ozz. >> _______________________________________________ >> Pc_support mailing list >> Pc_support@matrixlist.com >> http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support > > _______________________________________________ > Pc_support mailing list > Pc_support@matrixlist.com > http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support > -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" CDTT (Certified Duct Tape Technician) Linux user #322099 Machines: 206822 256638 276825 http://counter.li.org/ From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Jun 8 21:44:48 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: [OT] One more time =?windows-1251?Q?=85?= Windows Vista system requirements In-Reply-To: <165A6B23-C543-4DA9-AA81-8A525ADDFF08@mc-kenna.com> References: <200606071155.11047.fmiller@lightlink.com> <1149761465.5789.7.camel@P-733.mwmcmlln> <1149774613.10388.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <0586A888-E463-4CD1-8695-CF493184D385@thelimucompany.com> <1149792313.10388.36.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <165A6B23-C543-4DA9-AA81-8A525ADDFF08@mc-kenna.com> Message-ID: <1149817488.10388.58.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 15:41 -0400, Damien McKenna wrote: > I know that, but it is at least enough to run the darn thing, which > is all most people (who aren't interested/willing to pay for a whole > new POS) want. Huh? Just because it "runs" doesn't mean it's usable. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------- Illegal Immigration = "Representation Without Taxation" From hescominsoon at emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Thu Jun 8 22:55:11 2006 From: hescominsoon at emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5BPc=5FSupport=5D_Re=3A_=5BOT=5D_?= =?windows-1252?Q?One_more_time_=85_Windows_Vista_system__?= =?windows-1252?Q?requirements?= In-Reply-To: <1149817488.10388.58.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <200606071155.11047.fmiller@lightlink.com> <1149761465.5789.7.camel@P-733.mwmcmlln> <1149774613.10388.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <0586A888-E463-4CD1-8695-CF493184D385@thelimucompany.com> <1149792313.10388.36.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <165A6B23-C543-4DA9-AA81-8A525ADDFF08@mc-kenna.com> <1149817488.10388.58.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <4488E30F.5090603@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> you can put xp on a p-2 350..it runs..but it's not truly useable..:) Bryan J. Smith wrote: > On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 15:41 -0400, Damien McKenna wrote: >> I know that, but it is at least enough to run the darn thing, which >> is all most people (who aren't interested/willing to pay for a whole >> new POS) want. > > Huh? Just because it "runs" doesn't mean it's usable. > > -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" CDTT (Certified Duct Tape Technician) Linux user #322099 Machines: 206822 256638 276825 http://counter.li.org/ From b.j.smith at ieee.org Fri Jun 9 08:03:40 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: [OT] One more time =?windows-1251?Q?=85?= Windows Vista system requirements In-Reply-To: <4488E30F.5090603@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <200606071155.11047.fmiller@lightlink.com> <1149761465.5789.7.camel@P-733.mwmcmlln> <1149774613.10388.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <0586A888-E463-4CD1-8695-CF493184D385@thelimucompany.com> <1149792313.10388.36.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <165A6B23-C543-4DA9-AA81-8A525ADDFF08@mc-kenna.com> <1149817488.10388.58.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <4488E30F.5090603@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <1149854621.10388.74.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 22:55 -0400, William Warren wrote: > you can put xp on a p-2 350..it runs..but it's not truly useable..:) That's now Vista on a 1GHz machine with nVidia (NV44) GeForce 6100 integrated video that just came out mid-last year. And that's just so it looks and works like XP today, although slower -- and does _not_ provide the new Avalon features. Even my spring 2001 era P3 850MHz, 256MB with nVidia (NV11) GeForce Go Mobile 16MB notebook will run the Xgl window manager at 1024x768. Nothing great, but it works. A MacOS X notebook with equivalent video/power will run QuartzExtreme better. You've gotta have at least a late 2004-era GeForce 6800+, or 2005-era GeForce 6600+ to get _any_ Avalon features. That's a "mark-up" of 3 generations -- eight times (8x) -- in performance over QuartzExtreme or Xgl. Avalon is designed for one thing, not to improve efficiency, but to force people to buy new computers. And there's _no_ incentive for Microsoft to address that -- because they are not only controlling the PC OEM channels, but the superstore distribution now as well. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------- Illegal Immigration = "Representation Without Taxation" From ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net Fri Jun 9 19:41:27 2006 From: ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net (Austin Denyer (Ozz)) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Cisco Password Recovery. Message-ID: <20060609194127.fe0bb0d9.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> Hi Guys. Here's one for all you Cisco Gurus... I have just aquired a Cisco Catalyst WS-C2924M-XL. Unfortunately I do not have any passwords for it. So, how do I reset the passwords? I have physical access to the box - I am minicom'd into the console port as I type. I've GTFW and not found anything useful yet. Any pointers gratefully received. Regards, Ozz. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff From mflang at bellsouth.net Sat Jun 10 15:07:13 2006 From: mflang at bellsouth.net (Max F Lang) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Cisco Password Recovery. In-Reply-To: <20060609194127.fe0bb0d9.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> References: <20060609194127.fe0bb0d9.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> Message-ID: <200606101507.13289.mflang@bellsouth.net> On Friday 09 June 2006 19:41, Austin Denyer wrote: > I have just aquired a Cisco Catalyst WS-C2924M-XL. Unfortunately I do > not have any passwords for it. You did check out Cisco's website? That's in the Catalyst 2900XL series. [long url follows...] http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps628/products_password_recovery09186a0080094184.shtml or start searching from here: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/iosswrel/ps1831/products_tech_note09186a00801746e6.shtml Hope this helps. From ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net Sat Jun 10 18:40:27 2006 From: ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net (Austin Denyer (Ozz)) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Cisco Password Recovery. In-Reply-To: <200606101507.13289.mflang@bellsouth.net> References: <20060609194127.fe0bb0d9.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> <200606101507.13289.mflang@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <20060610184027.b163b350.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:07:13 -0400, Max F Lang wrote: > > On Friday 09 June 2006 19:41, Austin Denyer wrote: > > I have just aquired a Cisco Catalyst WS-C2924M-XL. Unfortunately I do > > not have any passwords for it. > > You did check out Cisco's website? That's in the Catalyst 2900XL series. Thanks. I did try Cisco's site but must have been entering the wrong magic words for the search. I followed the instructions in the docs and did manage to reset the password. For some reason I've introduced another problem. When I use the '?' for help, some commands don't work when they should. For example: sw-2924>set % Type "set ?" for a list of subcommands sw-2924>set ? % Unrecognized command sw-2924> Any ideas? Regards, Ozz. (Very new to Cisco...) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.matrixlist.com/pipermail/pc_support/attachments/20060610/f00f810e/attachment.bin From pberry2 at cfl.rr.com Sat Jun 10 18:49:28 2006 From: pberry2 at cfl.rr.com (patrick) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:49 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] UPS AVR, appliances, activates? In-Reply-To: <200606101344.04123.jasonb@edseek.com> References: <200606101344.04123.jasonb@edseek.com> Message-ID: <448B4C78.4060301@cfl.rr.com> Jason Boxman wrote: >I hadn't seen this before, but where I live now, apparently, my UPS' AVR kicks >in when I'm running several appliances simultaneously that draw a lot of >power. (The UPS makes a loud hum, which it only does under the above >circumstance, so I am assuming it is AVR.) > >Is there any particular reason why this happens? Could it be the wiring? I >imagine the washer and drier are on different circuits than my equipment >upstairs. > >Thanks. > > > The UPS senses the AC voltage and kicks in at somewhere around 105 VAC! Appliances with large motors and cooling equipment, refrigerators, freezers, draw larger current upon start-up. The voltage sags from the normal 115, 117,120, (I average 125VAC in Central Florida - but, I get about 8 sags each day!). My dozen UPS's click over, then back, giving a short alarm, on average, about 8 times each day. Friday, we all lost power for an hour. That is the strip mall, the huge car dealership , thirty other local big businesses, and over 1,000 homes! The sub-station lost a transformer, and, since it's replacement on Friday, the power has stabilized! I bought a new 'kill-a-watt' that has a computer in it, and displays/records the voltages, equipment needs for items plugged into it (up to 1500 watts) so I get some clues to all these events. I discovered also, that weak circuit breakers can do imicro trips, due to heat, and my older panel had two deficits. One was that it was a Federal Pacific Stab-Lok unit, that is banned in some 7 states as a total fire hazard. Secondly, the breakers were over 26 years old, and, some were welded shut internally, while others were humming... and the breakers cost $37 for a 15 amp single pole, vs. $3.65 for a GE 15 or 20 amp! I would guess that FP is paying off the 31 Class Action Lawsuits it lost in 31 states and territories. I replaced the panel for $128 in parts, plus, about 4 hours of labor. If you have no clue about AC power (I taught it in the Air Force), plus, you aren't the OWNER of your home, you will need to pay a certified electrical contractor for the work. Two to four hours is my guess for time. From ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net Sat Jun 10 19:36:41 2006 From: ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net (Austin Denyer (Ozz)) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] UPS AVR, appliances, activates? In-Reply-To: <448B4C78.4060301@cfl.rr.com> References: <200606101344.04123.jasonb@edseek.com> <448B4C78.4060301@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060610193641.af47d929.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:49:28 -0400, patrick wrote: > > The UPS senses the AC voltage and kicks in at somewhere around 105 VAC! > Appliances with large motors and cooling equipment, refrigerators, > freezers, draw larger current upon start-up. The voltage sags from the > normal 115, 117,120, (I average 125VAC in Central Florida - but, I get > about 8 sags each day!). That's one of the things I miss about European electrical systems. When everything runs at 220V you don't suffer from the lights dimming when you strike up the vacuum cleaner... I must admit I got caught out when I first came here. I was so used to being able to load the household power outlets to 3KW... #;-D Regards, Ozz. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.matrixlist.com/pipermail/pc_support/attachments/20060610/85689d15/attachment.bin From jasonb at edseek.com Sat Jun 10 21:21:28 2006 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] UPS AVR, appliances, activates? In-Reply-To: <448B4C78.4060301@cfl.rr.com> References: <200606101344.04123.jasonb@edseek.com> <448B4C78.4060301@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <200606102121.28728.jasonb@edseek.com> On Saturday 10 June 2006 18:49, patrick wrote: > Jason Boxman wrote: > >I hadn't seen this before, but where I live now, apparently, my UPS' AVR > > kicks in when I'm running several appliances simultaneously that draw a > > lot of power. (The UPS makes a loud hum, which it only does under the > > above circumstance, so I am assuming it is AVR.) > > > >Is there any particular reason why this happens? Could it be the wiring? > > I imagine the washer and drier are on different circuits than my > > equipment upstairs. > > > >Thanks. > > The UPS senses the AC voltage and kicks in at somewhere around 105 VAC! > Appliances with large motors and cooling equipment, refrigerators, > freezers, draw larger current upon start-up. The voltage sags from the > normal 115, 117,120, (I average 125VAC in Central Florida - but, I get > about 8 sags each day!). But in my case, the UPS never actually trips. It just makes that loud humming noise it tends to make when it's charging or discharging. I only do the wash on weekends on this symptom only occurs on the weekends, so I assume the increased power usage is the trigger. It's strange, though. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff From dave at dgnal.net Sun Jun 11 22:36:38 2006 From: dave at dgnal.net (David Simmons) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Off Computer Storage Message-ID: <4735.71.252.176.10.1150079798.squirrel@qtmail.dgnal.net> The line of progression: create machine -> do video work -> need more space -> add hard drives -> machine too hot -> add fans -> livable, but loud -> now need more space Guys....I've come to the point where I realize that I'd like to set up a NAS type system for a few boxes to share space/files (probably not concurrently). Environments will be mixed - Windows/Linux clients. Thanks to Bryan, I'm familiar with the need to use some of the newer bus structures to really gain Gigabit network speeds - BUT, can you attain almost local speed with hard-drives? What about if using SATA-II drive in host machine? Any well known comparison charts? (googled, but was overwhelmed with product rather than raw comparison data). Say that you can attain fairly good speeds in transfer (any recommendations on good network cards? haven't really seen - other than built on - cards for PCI-E?) - What protocal would you use? SMB/NFS/SSHFS/?? - Remember that is video work, so need as much as possible! Thanks - Dave From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Jun 12 07:05:43 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Off Computer Storage -- Near-line storage ... In-Reply-To: <4735.71.252.176.10.1150079798.squirrel@qtmail.dgnal.net> References: <4735.71.252.176.10.1150079798.squirrel@qtmail.dgnal.net> Message-ID: <1150110343.20685.218.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 21:36 -0500, David Simmons wrote: > The line of progression: > create machine -> do video work -> need more space -> add hard drives -> > machine too hot -> add fans -> livable, but loud -> now need more space > Guys....I've come to the point where I realize that I'd like to set up a > NAS type system for a few boxes to share space/files (probably not > concurrently). Environments will be mixed - Windows/Linux clients. I hope you saw my article "Dissecting Virtual Tape Libraries" last fall: http://www.samag.com/documents/sam0509a/ It dissects how near-line disk is a very capable solution for backups (including augmenting off-line tape), which also applies to near-line storage in general. > Thanks to Bryan, I'm familiar with the need to use some of the newer bus > structures to really gain Gigabit network speeds - BUT, can you attain > almost local speed with hard-drives? Yes! Especially if you use a dedicated GbE "out-of-band/storage" network with 9000 byte jumbo frames (to avoid having to setup VLANs and buy more expensive switches). > What about if using SATA-II drive in host machine? Makes *0* difference from SATA/150 or ATA/133. Most drives can't surpass a 75MiBps sustained DTR. In actuality, all most SATA2/300 drives mean is that they have a native SATA interface. Most SATA/150 drives are using SATA/150 to ATA/133 adapters internally, including directly on the PCB of the hard drive. Makes _maybe_ a 1-2% difference overall. > Say that you can attain fairly good speeds in transfer (any > recommendations on good network cards? haven't really seen - other than > built on - cards for PCI-E?) RAID-10 would be most ideal for write performance overall. If you're reading far more than writing, then RAID-5 if you don't like the inefficiency of RAID-10. If you're just writing from 1-2 systems, RAID-3 would be most ideal. Areca has its ARC-12xx series for PCIe x8. Cost is $400+. If you have PCI64/PCI-X, the NetCell SR5000 series is high performance fixed 5-disc configuration RAID-3 (what they call "RAID-XL"). Cost is a more affordable $200+. Can't recommend 3Ware except for the 7000/8000/9500S series PCI64/PCI-X, and you only want to use RAID-10 for those. I'm still waiting on 3Ware to produce a stable, newer 9000 series with RAID-5 performance -- the 9500S is basically a 7000/8000 from a RAID-10 standpoint. > - What protocal would you use? SMB/NFS/SSHFS/?? NFS! 8KiB UDP blocks go 1:1 into 9000 byte Jumbo frames. You can also rebuild the kernel with 32KiB blocks for even better performance, but _always_ use 9000 byte Jumbo frames for it. > - Remember that is video work, so need as much as possible! Again, RAID-10 or RAID-5. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------- Illegal Immigration = "Representation Without Taxation" From b.j.smith at ieee.org Tue Jun 13 02:42:48 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Flipped MicroATX design ... Message-ID: <1150180968.26373.10.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> First time I've seen this in a MicroATX. Cooler Master RC-541 series: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811119088 CPU at bottom, slots above (with fansink facing up), etc... There's even room for 2 outtake and 1 intake (right in the mid-section so it blows to the slots) fans. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------------- The existence of Linux has far more to do with the breakup of AT&T's monopoly than anything Microsoft has ever done. From wam at HiWAAY.net Tue Jun 13 07:29:29 2006 From: wam at HiWAAY.net (William A. Mahaffey III) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Flipped MicroATX design ... In-Reply-To: <1150180968.26373.10.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <1150180968.26373.10.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <448EA199.5090705@HiWAAY.net> Bryan J. Smith wrote: >First time I've seen this in a MicroATX. >Cooler Master RC-541 series: >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811119088 > >CPU at bottom, slots above (with fansink facing up), etc... There's >even room for 2 outtake and 1 intake (right in the mid-section so it >blows to the slots) fans. > > Neat. Do they (Coolermaster) or someone else make one like this in full ATX ? TIA .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton From b.j.smith at ieee.org Tue Jun 13 08:34:36 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Flipped MicroATX design ... -- Flipped ATX designs In-Reply-To: <448EA199.5090705@HiWAAY.net> References: <1150180968.26373.10.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <448EA199.5090705@HiWAAY.net> Message-ID: <1150202076.26373.25.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 06:29 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > Neat. Do they (Coolermaster) or someone else make one like this in full > ATX ? TIA .... One better ... I already blogged some last fall ... "Flipped ATX Cases Gone Mainstream" [2005-10-08] http://thebs413.blogspot.com/2005/10/flipped-atx-cases-gone-mainstream.html They have 120mm intake and 120mm outtake fans that go directly over the CPU area, which is at the bottom. They start at $80+ (Aerocool Spiral Galaxies) and I highly recommend the design -- especially for dual-processor. The only thing I'd add is a cut-out for a 92mm outtake fan near the hard drives. I don't know why they didn't do this on the base model -- it really needs the cooling in the hard drive area (it's only weakness). -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------------- The existence of Linux has far more to do with the breakup of AT&T's monopoly than anything Microsoft has ever done. From whittake at sbaflorida.com Tue Jun 13 13:46:05 2006 From: whittake at sbaflorida.com (Homer Whittaker) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Flipped MicroATX design ... -- Flipped ATX designs In-Reply-To: <1150202076.26373.25.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <1150180968.26373.10.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <448EA199.5090705@HiWAAY.net> <1150202076.26373.25.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <1150220765.1875.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 08:34 -0400, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 06:29 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > > Neat. Do they (Coolermaster) or someone else make one like this in full > > ATX ? TIA .... > > One better ... I already blogged some last fall ... > "Flipped ATX Cases Gone Mainstream" [2005-10-08] > http://thebs413.blogspot.com/2005/10/flipped-atx-cases-gone-mainstream.html > > They have 120mm intake and 120mm outtake fans that go directly over the > CPU area, which is at the bottom. They start at $80+ (Aerocool Spiral > Galaxies) and I highly recommend the design -- especially for > dual-processor. > > The only thing I'd add is a cut-out for a 92mm outtake fan near the hard > drives. I don't know why they didn't do this on the base model -- it > really needs the cooling in the hard drive area (it's only weakness). > > I do not understand why you all do not just take the covers of your machines and let the ac in the room cool them off. I have three boxes, actually four counting my wife's. All of them are without covers and to date (with all toes and legs crossed) have not lost one due to heat. >From an engineering point of view which is best, covers with lots of fans, or open with one good sized fan? From b.j.smith at ieee.org Tue Jun 13 16:23:11 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Flipped MicroATX design ... -- Flipped ATX designs In-Reply-To: <1150220765.1875.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1150180968.26373.10.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <448EA199.5090705@HiWAAY.net> <1150202076.26373.25.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1150220765.1875.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1150230192.26373.57.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 13:46 -0400, Homer Whittaker wrote: > I do not understand why you all do not just take the covers of your > machines and let the ac in the room cool them off. I have three boxes, > actually four counting my wife's. All of them are without covers and to > date (with all toes and legs crossed) have not lost one due to heat. > From an engineering point of view which is best, covers with lots of > fans, or open with one good sized fan? Problems include: 1. EMF generation, EMI suseptibility (especially if you put an AC-powered fan next to the system) 2. Poor airflow over key components (you need airflow!) 3. Dust I've been using systems with 92-120mm intake-outtake fans for some time and they keep the components cool. My favorite designs include: - MicroATX Cube (120mm outtake fan over CPU, PS outtake fan over slots) - Flipped ATX Design (dual-120mm intake-outtake for CPUs) -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------------- The existence of Linux has far more to do with the breakup of AT&T's monopoly than anything Microsoft has ever done. From hubbardjw at charter.net Wed Jun 14 00:12:28 2006 From: hubbardjw at charter.net (Jerry Hubbard) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] TrueCrypt Message-ID: <448F8CAC.2060907@charter.net> Has anyone here used TrueCrypt? Just played the http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm episode 41. It sounds good, but you guys have insights most do not. It was also discussed on the local Unix list in St. Louis, but just in passing. -- Jerry Hubbard hubbardjw@charter.net From damien at mc-kenna.com Wed Jun 14 07:59:04 2006 From: damien at mc-kenna.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] TrueCrypt In-Reply-To: <448F8CAC.2060907@charter.net> References: <448F8CAC.2060907@charter.net> Message-ID: <20060614075904.euvqqr2e0thus84w@www.mc-kenna.com> Quoting Jerry Hubbard : > Has anyone here used TrueCrypt? Yes. It was easy to use and their feature list is pretty inspiring. Here's hoping they do an OSX version soon, an open standard to replace DMG would be wonderful. -- Damien McKenna, Husband, Father, Geek http://www.mc-kenna.com/ - damien@mc-kenna.com From pberry2 at cfl.rr.com Wed Jun 14 08:03:56 2006 From: pberry2 at cfl.rr.com (Patrick) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Off Computer Storage In-Reply-To: <4735.71.252.176.10.1150079798.squirrel@qtmail.dgnal.net> References: <4735.71.252.176.10.1150079798.squirrel@qtmail.dgnal.net> Message-ID: <448FFB2C.6070808@cfl.rr.com> David Simmons wrote: > The line of progression: > > create machine -> do video work -> need more space -> add hard drives -> > machine too hot -> add fans -> livable, but loud -> now need more space > > Guys....I've come to the point where I realize that I'd like to set up a > NAS type system for a few boxes to share space/files (probably not > concurrently). Environments will be mixed - Windows/Linux clients. > > Thanks to Bryan, I'm familiar with the need to use some of the newer bus > structures to really gain Gigabit network speeds - BUT, can you attain > almost local speed with hard-drives? What about if using SATA-II drive in > host machine? Any well known comparison charts? (googled, but was > overwhelmed with product rather than raw comparison data). > > Say that you can attain fairly good speeds in transfer (any > recommendations on good network cards? haven't really seen - other than > built on - cards for PCI-E?) - What protocal would you use? > SMB/NFS/SSHFS/?? - Remember that is video work, so need as much as > possible! > > Thanks - Dave > > _______________________________________________ > Pc_support mailing list > Pc_support@matrixlist.com > http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support > > > 500Gb WD external firewire/USB drives are only $279 at Costco... 300Gb runs $199, 120Gb is $149, and, I bought an A101 external case (empty) with firewire/usb for $29.99 at Cheapguys... Then, I put in a 80 Gb drive already on hand (refurbished by using GPartEd). External drives are very handy, transportable... Have some clients with dual 250 Gb drives internally, and they are using the external 500Gb and new 750Gb drives, for their massive video editing. (wildlife filming for National Geo, PBS, Discorery Channel...) and storage. From justinkz at gmail.com Wed Jun 14 10:54:20 2006 From: justinkz at gmail.com (Justin M. Keyes) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Best virtual machine for Intel Mac OS? Message-ID: <53b562310606140754h416c33bap9d8bf539a39cc051@mail.gmail.com> I am getting a MacBook (Intel core duo), and I am going to need a virtual machine to run Windows. I refuse to dual boot, I hate it. So, I wonder which virtual machine for Mac OS on Intel, runs the fastest, in your opinion? Has anyone tried Parallels? http://www.parallels.com/en/products/workstation/mac/ Has anyone tried Guest PC on Mac/Intel (not PowerPC)? http://www.lismoresystems.com/en/ Has anyone tried Microsoft Virtual PC on Mac/Intel (not PowerPC)? Does anyone recommend any other hardware virtualization for Mac/Intel? Apparently, Parellels is supposed to be more performant, because it doesn't emulate x86. Does that mean that MS Virtual PC, on an intel Mac, would be run under Rosetta, *and* have to emulate x86? Does Guest PC run under Rosetta? My main concern is performance. Thanks for your help! -- Justin M. Keyes From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Wed Jun 14 11:38:17 2006 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Best virtual machine for Intel Mac OS? In-Reply-To: <53b562310606140754h416c33bap9d8bf539a39cc051@mail.gmail.com> References: <53b562310606140754h416c33bap9d8bf539a39cc051@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Quite simply, any emulation system that is PowerPC native is going to end up running two CPU emulation layers: Rosetta and then the application's x86 emulation layer. Because of this you are best to go with Parallels until the rest of the market catches up. BTW there is a strong rumor that OSX 10.5 will bundle a concurrent virtualization system, similar to Parallels. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - dmckenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From justinkz at gmail.com Wed Jun 14 11:50:51 2006 From: justinkz at gmail.com (Justin M. Keyes) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Best virtual machine for Intel Mac OS? In-Reply-To: References: <53b562310606140754h416c33bap9d8bf539a39cc051@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <53b562310606140850y7640a8bbgf999852f7126a86e@mail.gmail.com> On 6/14/06, Damien McKenna wrote: > Quite simply, any emulation system that is PowerPC native is going to > end up running two CPU emulation layers: Rosetta and then the > application's x86 emulation layer. Because of this you are best to > go with Parallels until the rest of the market catches up. Ok, thanks. > BTW there is a strong rumor that OSX 10.5 will bundle a concurrent > virtualization system, similar to Parallels. Interesting... thanks for the tip. I'll use parallels free beta, then decide if I should upgrade to 10.5. -- Justin M. Keyes From dave at dgnal.net Wed Jun 14 15:30:14 2006 From: dave at dgnal.net (David Simmons) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Best virtual machine for Intel Mac OS? In-Reply-To: <53b562310606140850y7640a8bbgf999852f7126a86e@mail.gmail.com> References: <53b562310606140754h416c33bap9d8bf539a39cc051@mail.gmail.com> <53b562310606140850y7640a8bbgf999852f7126a86e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <56320.192.104.67.122.1150313414.squirrel@qtmail.dgnal.net> Anyone tried / looked at Apple's BootCamp: http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/ From justinkz at gmail.com Wed Jun 14 15:23:58 2006 From: justinkz at gmail.com (Justin M. Keyes) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Best virtual machine for Intel Mac OS? In-Reply-To: <56320.192.104.67.122.1150313414.squirrel@qtmail.dgnal.net> References: <53b562310606140754h416c33bap9d8bf539a39cc051@mail.gmail.com> <53b562310606140850y7640a8bbgf999852f7126a86e@mail.gmail.com> <56320.192.104.67.122.1150313414.squirrel@qtmail.dgnal.net> Message-ID: <53b562310606141223q5149212fs11ee36f01bb5ede9@mail.gmail.com> On 6/14/06, David Simmons wrote: > Anyone tried / looked at Apple's BootCamp: > > http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/ No. I don't like dual-booting. -- Justin M. Keyes From dave at dgnal.net Wed Jun 14 15:59:45 2006 From: dave at dgnal.net (David Simmons) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Best virtual machine for Intel Mac OS? In-Reply-To: <53b562310606141223q5149212fs11ee36f01bb5ede9@mail.gmail.com> References: <53b562310606140754h416c33bap9d8bf539a39cc051@mail.gmail.com> <53b562310606140850y7640a8bbgf999852f7126a86e@mail.gmail.com> <56320.192.104.67.122.1150313414.squirrel@qtmail.dgnal.net> <53b562310606141223q5149212fs11ee36f01bb5ede9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <22101.192.104.67.222.1150315185.squirrel@qtmail.dgnal.net> >> Anyone tried / looked at Apple's BootCamp: >> >> http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/ > > No. I don't like dual-booting. DUH! Sorry...I've been doing so much VMWare lately...and remembered something about Boot Camp...I just put the two together in my head...sorry for not doing my homework and being thorough! dave From damien at mc-kenna.com Thu Jun 15 10:11:08 2006 From: damien at mc-kenna.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] RAID cards comparison Message-ID: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1977007,00.asp -- Damien McKenna, husband, father, geek. damien@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/ From b.j.smith at ieee.org Fri Jun 16 09:28:30 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] [Fwd: [NTLUG:Announce] June meeting 6/17 @ 11am, A Simple Single Sign On Implementation Part 2] Message-ID: <1150464511.6698.21.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Looks like the NTLUG is actually doing some "real world" integration ... -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Low-traffic NTLUG announcement list Reply-To: Announce@ntlug.org To: announce@ntlug.org Subject: [NTLUG:Announce] June meeting 6/17 @ 11am, A Simple Single Sign On Implementation Part 2 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:08:58 -0500 The easiest way to turn a presentation into a two parter is by having a medical emergency during the middle of the presentation... So.. if you wanted to see the Single Sign On presentation in May... come to the June meeting... where hopefully I'll get through the whole things this time!! (description from last month's mail out) Many people do not work on an an ALL-Windows network anymore. Disruptive technologies like Linux are successfully penetrating the SMB markets in addition to the enterprise. However, likewise, one cannot say they work in an ALL-Linux or ALL-Unix or ALL- shop. Today's companies use many tools, including OS's, in order to to business. The presentation in May will focus on how to create a more seamless work environment across disparate Operating Systems. It focuses primarily on allowing a Windows XP client that is authenticated to a Windows Domain to reach Linux and/or Unix hosts without passwords, however seamlessness will also be shown (as much as it is possible) for clients using Linux/Unix. At the heart of this solution is Linux. Linux is the source of integration across disparate OS's. The presentation will cover how Linux is used to handle key infrastructure pieces to make the whole Single Sign On concept a reality. Directions: http://www.ntlug.org/directions.html Linux Installation Project 9am-ish Beginner's Training 10am Main Presentation (Simple Single Sign On) 11am Nokia has placed a restriction that no one under 18 is allowed at the meeting. Regards, Chris _______________________________________________ http://ntlug.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/announce -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------------- The existence of Linux has far more to do with the breakup of AT&T's monopoly than anything Microsoft has ever done. From ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net Fri Jun 16 19:47:45 2006 From: ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net (Austin Denyer (Ozz)) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] [Fwd: [NTLUG:Announce] June meeting 6/17 @ 11am, A Simple Single Sign On Implementation Part 2] In-Reply-To: <1150464511.6698.21.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <1150464511.6698.21.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <20060616194745.3f15e08d.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:28:30 -0400, "Bryan J. Smith" wrote: > > Looks like the NTLUG is actually doing some "real world" integration ... > > So.. if you wanted to see the Single Sign On presentation in May... > come to the June meeting... where hopefully I'll get through > the whole things this time!! Man - I sure wish I could attend that. I don't suppose the presentation will be posted on-line at some stage? Regards, Ozz. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.matrixlist.com/pipermail/pc_support/attachments/20060616/dceda04e/attachment.bin From wam at HiWAAY.net Sat Jun 17 11:59:26 2006 From: wam at HiWAAY.net (William A. Mahaffey III) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Tape drive for small file server .... Message-ID: <449426DE.5060109@HiWAAY.net> .... I am in the market for a tape drive for my smallish file server on my LAN. The box is an i865 (yuk !!!) P4, 2.4 GHz, 2 GB RAM, SuSE 9.2, box-stock (no recompiled kernels, no YAST updates, straight off the ROM). It has a 20 GB root drive, a 200 GB /home drive, & a 400 GB drive mounted as /work, all EIDE. I would like to backup parts of the /home & /work for offline storage. I have poked around on NewEgg & observe 2 apparently contemporary options, Sony AIT-1/2 & something called Ultrium1/2 or LTO-1/2/3 or LTX100/200G, all apparently used interchangably except for version #'s. I would like something with a net capacity in the 200 GB range (i.e. 80 GB native, 208 GB compressed is OK). NewEgg has media for most of these & their prices are acceptable. Would anyone have any 1st hand reasons to eliminate either 1 of these ? TIA -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sat Jun 17 13:20:56 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Tape drive for small file server .... -- LTO (unless you have existing AIT or DLT assets) In-Reply-To: <449426DE.5060109@HiWAAY.net> References: <449426DE.5060109@HiWAAY.net> Message-ID: <1150564856.6698.361.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> [ Since this is a cross-post, don't forget to remove the list prefixes before you respond ] On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 10:59 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > .... I am in the market for a tape drive for my smallish file server on > my LAN. Is this home or work? I assume work? BTW, I don't know if I posted this in another thread before, but I really tried to talk about backup strategies -- on-line, off-line, remote, near-line, etc... -- and the inevitable evolution of the near-line (e.g., managed disk) + off-line (e.g., tape cartridge) into the "Virtual Tape Library" (although that's more for enterprise networks) in my 2005 September Sys Admin article: "Dissecting Virtual Tape Libraries" http://www.samag.com/documents/sam0509a/ People argue disk and take back and forth and there are advantages/disadvantages to each -- and they really complement each other today. In your case, probably not much, because I assume you're only backing up a single server and not other systems over the network. But I still want to point it out. It's really _not_ about "disk v. tape" but "where does disk fit in?" and "where does tape fit in?" The only time I've seen people argue otherwise is when they are doing bonehead things like backing up over the network in real-time. They argue backup window when you should _never_ use tape over the network, but near-line disk as at least an intermediate store, to address the backup window. Otherwise, such thinking is 1980s-era. > The box is an i865 (yuk !!!) P4, 2.4 GHz, 2 GB RAM, SuSE 9.2, > box-stock (no recompiled kernels, no YAST updates, straight off the > ROM). It has a 20 GB root drive, a 200 GB /home drive, & a 400 GB drive > mounted as /work, all EIDE. I would like to backup parts of the /home & > /work for offline storage. You should also consider near-line storage -- something that would not only let you recover data faster, but diff/buffer backups before they go to tape. Now for a single server, that's probably not as big of a deal. But as you start backing up more and more of your network, it's a good idea to have a few TBs of disk for "near-line" and then a tape cartridge that holds at least what a weeks worth of "critical, longer-term off-line." > I have poked around on NewEgg & observe 2 apparently contemporary > options, Sony AIT-1/2 Yes, Sony's 8mm format. Unless you have existing AIT assets, I recommend LTO instead. LTO is more reliable, faster and has the lowest price per GB -- drive and media. Same deal for HP/Quantum 1" DLT. Unless you have existing DLT assets, I recommend LTO instead. LTO isn't any more reliable than DLT (only IBM's proprietary format is more reliable), but it's faster and has the lowest price per GB -- again, drive and media. > & something called Ultrium1/2 or LTO-1/2/3 or LTX100/200G, > all apparently used interchangably except for version #'s. LTO (Linear Tape Open) began as a triple vendor standard -- HP, IBM and Tandberg (IIRC). It is now supported by almost a dozen firms, with half of them making drives. The popularity has driven _commodity_ cost and LTO will be around for a _long_time_ -- and 10-15 years** from now, you'll still be able to get a LTO-4 drive so you can read _all_ of your LTO-1/2/3/4 tapes. http://www.lto.org/ **NOTE: LTO, like DLT, is probably the most reliable, longest lasting "commodity" backup cartridge you can get. Only IBM's proprietary solutions (slower, less capacity, very costly) last longer (25+ years). HP calls their drives Ultrium and they are rated by a model in GBs that matches a 2.4:1 ratio. E.g., the LTO-3 drive (400GB native, 80MBps DTR) from HP is Ultrium 960 (960GB assuming 2.4:1 compression, 192MBps effective DTR). LTO has 3 current (LTO-1, 2 and 3) and 1 (LTO-4) planned standard: LTO-1 100GB, 20MBps DTR native -> 240GB, 48MBps DTR 2.4:1 LTO-2 200GB, 40MBps DTR native -> 480GB, 96MBps DTR 2.4:1 LTO-3 400GB, 80MBps DTR native -> 960GB, 192MBps DTR 2.4:1 LTO-4* 800GB, 160MBps DTR native -> 1.92TB, 384MBps DTR 2.4:1 *Planned (since day 1), which should be the last LTO-1 drives are under $1,000, possibly as low as $500 used/refurbished with cartridges just over $20 for 100GB native (240GB 2.4:1). Even LTO-1 is very, very difficult to best in performance, only newer Super DLT320/640 drives can do it -- but are still outclassed by newer LTO-3, let alone LTO-3, in DTR. I really consider the LTO-1 to be the "entry point." If you're not ready to spend $1K on drive + initial media, then you really shouldn't be considering tape. You really don't want to "buy a cheap drive" -- either spend the money for at least LTO-1 or consider non-tape. E.g., you'd be better off getting some 60-80GB notebook hard drives (which take G forces 10x better than desktop drives) for ~$100/each and putting them in small, external enclosures and using external SATA -- or if that's not an option, USB/FireWire (which is slower/less reliable). If you have more than 200GB to back up, really just go LTO-3. LTO-3 really isn't much more than LTO-2, with drives starting around $4,000 now. If you have a few backup servers to backup over the network, don't buy a couple of LTO-1 drives -- just get one LTO-3 drive and a dedicated backup server. Then diff to that system (which will also give you some near-line capability). The sheer DTR of LTO-3 is unbelievable -- 80MBps native -- and really maxes what Ultra160 SCSI can do. You can backup a TB in under 2 hours! LTO-4 will require Ultra320 SCSI, period, and will do a TB in under ahour! This means that with LTO, when doing network backups, you do _not_ want to be feeding them "real-time." *NEVER* do that. You want to be at least buffering and, better yet, maintaining a copy of systems on a dedicated "backup server" with the drive. Otherwise you will starve the drive of data. > I would like something with a net capacity in the 200 GB range > (i.e. 80 GB native, 208 GB compressed is OK). LTO-1 is definitely a great entry-point for a single server. You get 100GB, 20MBps native DTR. Actual capacity will be around 200-240GB, with an effective DTR of 40-48MBps. > NewEgg has media for most of these & their prices are acceptable. > Would anyone have any 1st hand reasons to eliminate either 1 of these ? > TIA If you have existing AIT or DLT drives, then you might want them. But if you don't have existing tape assets, just go LTO. Better, cheaper, faster and because of its commodity proliferation, you'll be able to get a LTO-4 drive some 10-15 years from now to read all your LTO-1 and latter tapes. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------------- The existence of Linux has far more to do with the breakup of AT&T's monopoly than anything Microsoft has ever done. From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sat Jun 17 14:04:36 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Tape drive for small file server .... -- LTO-2 has come down from 2005 In-Reply-To: <4494403A.6010605@HiWAAY.net> References: <449426DE.5060109@HiWAAY.net> <1150564856.6698.361.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <4494403A.6010605@HiWAAY.net> Message-ID: <1150567476.6698.397.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 12:47 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > I work out of the house, so work. This box *is* the 'near-line' backup > box for others on the network, as well as providing HDD work space. I > want a tape backup (weekly or so) just for disaster recovery, will > keep the tapes offsite. The clutch point is I want *offsite* storage. So you already do near-line storage to disk, and now you just want off-line storage to tape. Excellent! > I do backup over my LAN, but at ~4:00 A.M., so no system activity > anywhere. Then I want to store those backups & other stuff offsite. But the backup is a diff and to near-line disk, not directly to tape, correct? You now just want to send that near-line disk copy to off-list tape, correct? If so, that's an excellent strategy. > Thanks, I have no legacy equipment to speak of, so the LTO sounds > good. I *think* I saw a LTO-2 on NewEgg yesterday for ~$775.00, I > might be mis-remembering, but it looked like a good solution. I actually don't see _any_ LTO on NewEgg. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong section though. Hold on ... Stupid NewEgg! They don't put "LTO" -- they _only_ put "brand names" like "Ultrium." Sigh. Wow! LTO-2 has indeed come downin price! $1,599 for this Quantum LTO-2 (200GB/40MBps, 480GB/92MBps at 2.4:1) at NewEgg.COM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16840113023 And here are 2 other, external Quantum LTO-2 options ... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16840113027 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16840113026 And here's the external Quantum LTO-3 for $3,499: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16840113033 They only see Quantum. Hmmm, Froogle might give you more options. Froogle is showing several IBM LTO-2 drives for $25-150 more. That's an option if you like the IBM name instead of Quantum. So it seems $1,600-1,750 is _now_ the LTO-2 price-point. LTO-1 has only dropped to $750-800, so it seems that LTO-2 is probably the better move now. LTO-1 is definitely no longer the popular entry-point, it's giving way to LTO-2. Sorry, I guess the last time I priced LTO-1 and LTO-2 was mid-2005. LTO-2 was still typically over $3,500 then, while LTO-1 had just dropped to $1,000. LTO-3 has dropped from $4,500 to almost $3,000 now as well. So it's virtually a linear relationship -- over $750 to over $1,500 to ovre $3,000 for LTO-1, 2 and 3. The larger capacity you can afford, the faster the DTR, so the better it is -- as long as you can feed it. If you go LTO-2, make sure you can give it a _sustained_ 100MBps DTR storage array! Otherwise you'll add unnecessary time and wear (although LTO claims it dynamically slows the linear tape speed when the feed DTR is constrained). Cartridge prices haven't dropped though. LTO-1 is $20+, LTO-2 is $45+ and LTO-3 is $90+. But if LTO-2 is becoming more popular as a drive, LTO-2 cartridges might drop to $30+ in the next year or so. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------------- The existence of Linux has far more to do with the breakup of AT&T's monopoly than anything Microsoft has ever done. From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sun Jun 18 09:02:43 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Tape drive for small file server .... -- LTO (unless you have existing AIT or DLT assets) In-Reply-To: <4494BDC8.8050403@carter.cc> References: <449426DE.5060109@HiWAAY.net> <1150564856.6698.361.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <4494BDC8.8050403@carter.cc> Message-ID: <1150635763.2767.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 22:43 -0400, Carter Manucy wrote: > Just a couple of nit-picks here: > ... > LTO is only 1-generation fully (read/write) backward-compatible, Yes, I was aware of this, but thanx for pointing it out. LTO-2 drives can write LTO-1, but LTO-3 can't. > and 2 generations read-only compatible... Huh? Now that's news to me. I guess it's hard to say anything for sure at this point, because only LTO-3 is out and it reads back to LTO-1. Now I've been following LTO since near inception, but maybe they have changed their standards/promises as a result of product developments. I guess I should read the LTO site since it's been awhile. > eg, you can read/write to an LTO-2 > or LTO-3 tape in an LTO-3 drive, but not only read an LTO-1. LTO-4 > wouldn't be able to read LTO-1. > From http://www.lto.org/newsite/html/about_faqs.html > *Q12: What are the backward compatibility characteristics of the Ultrium > format?* > A12: The LTO Ultrium compatibility is defined with two concepts > demonstrating investment protection: > 1) An Ultrium drive is expected to read data from a cartridge in its own > generation and at least the two prior generations. Interesting. Okay, I guess that's changed since the original standard. Thanx for that update! Again, I guess I should have read the LTO site since it's been awhile -- I'm basing my statements on the original standard/promises plan. The original LTO standard was to be 4 generations -- with any newer generation being able to read any older, but only write 1 generation back. Again, actual developments have changed the standards/promises, especially with LTO-4 in development. > 2) An Ultrium drive is expected to write data to a cartridge in its own > generation and to a cartridge from the immediate prior generation in the > prior generation format. > Also, you'd mentioned: > There is actually a planned Gen 5 and Gen 6 now (1.6TB/360MBps and > 3.2TB/540MBps, respectively) Okay, now this makes more sense. I assume: 1. They've run into some issues reading LTO-1 with the LTO-4 prototypes, and 2. They've decided with the success and vendor support of LTO to continue with a 5th and 6th generation, hence 3. The new clarification on how many generations back can be read. Hmmm, from a longevity standpoint, this is a bit disturbing. If they've clarified this because they are, indeed, having issues with LTO-4 reading LTO-1 -- and there are 5th and 6th generations, then it makes you wonder if you should start with LTO-1. I had always recommended LTO-1 because I had believed (from the original design) that it would be always readable by the terminal generation (e.g., LTO-4) as in the original plan. I guess this is no longer the case so I have to re-evaluate that recommendation. Thanx for the update Carter! In any case, I need to blog this. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------------- The existence of Linux has far more to do with the breakup of AT&T's monopoly than anything Microsoft has ever done. From pberry2 at cfl.rr.com Sun Jun 18 11:44:16 2006 From: pberry2 at cfl.rr.com (patrick) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Tape drive for small file server .... -- LTO (unless you have existing AIT or DLT assets) In-Reply-To: <1150635763.2767.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <449426DE.5060109@HiWAAY.net> <1150564856.6698.361.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <4494BDC8.8050403@carter.cc> <1150635763.2767.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <449574D0.6070706@cfl.rr.com> Bryan J. Smith wrote: >On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 22:43 -0400, Carter Manucy wrote: > > >>Just a couple of nit-picks here: >> ... >>LTO is only 1-generation fully (read/write) backward-compatible, >> >> > >Yes, I was aware of this, but thanx for pointing it out. >LTO-2 drives can write LTO-1, but LTO-3 can't. > > > >>and 2 generations read-only compatible... >> >> > >Huh? Now that's news to me. I guess it's hard to say anything for sure >at this point, because only LTO-3 is out and it reads back to LTO-1. > >Now I've been following LTO since near inception, but maybe they have >changed their standards/promises as a result of product developments. I >guess I should read the LTO site since it's been awhile. > > > >>eg, you can read/write to an LTO-2 >>or LTO-3 tape in an LTO-3 drive, but not only read an LTO-1. LTO-4 >>wouldn't be able to read LTO-1. >>From http://www.lto.org/newsite/html/about_faqs.html >>*Q12: What are the backward compatibility characteristics of the Ultrium >>format?* >>A12: The LTO Ultrium compatibility is defined with two concepts >>demonstrating investment protection: >>1) An Ultrium drive is expected to read data from a cartridge in its own >>generation and at least the two prior generations. >> >> > >Interesting. Okay, I guess that's changed since the original standard. >Thanx for that update! Again, I guess I should have read the LTO site >since it's been awhile -- I'm basing my statements on the original >standard/promises plan. > >The original LTO standard was to be 4 generations -- with any newer >generation being able to read any older, but only write 1 generation >back. Again, actual developments have changed the standards/promises, >especially with LTO-4 in development. > > > >>2) An Ultrium drive is expected to write data to a cartridge in its own >>generation and to a cartridge from the immediate prior generation in the >>prior generation format. >>Also, you'd mentioned: >>There is actually a planned Gen 5 and Gen 6 now (1.6TB/360MBps and >>3.2TB/540MBps, respectively) >> >> > >Okay, now this makes more sense. I assume: > >1. They've run into some issues reading LTO-1 with the LTO-4 >prototypes, and > >2. They've decided with the success and vendor support of LTO to >continue with a 5th and 6th generation, hence > >3. The new clarification on how many generations back can be read. > >Hmmm, from a longevity standpoint, this is a bit disturbing. If they've >clarified this because they are, indeed, having issues with LTO-4 >reading LTO-1 -- and there are 5th and 6th generations, then it makes >you wonder if you should start with LTO-1. > >I had always recommended LTO-1 because I had believed (from the original >design) that it would be always readable by the terminal generation >(e.g., LTO-4) as in the original plan. I guess this is no longer the >case so I have to re-evaluate that recommendation. > >Thanx for the update Carter! In any case, I need to blog this. > > > > A funny thing... all your messages, Bryan, come to me with funny characters in the header. I am running Mozilla Thunderbird, in Kubuntu Breezy 5.10, loaded fresh today, but, was the same on another of my AMD Duron computers, yesterday... So, my fonts are interpreting something with an incorrect font character? It only inserts one or two alternate characters, usually in the spaces in the Subject area on the download list in my T Bird, never in the actual reader area... Funny thing, indeed, it seems to happen with only a couple folks, besides you. Both on the Leaplists, and the PC Support list. Can you shed some light, please? What can I do to get my fonts to read right? Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.matrixlist.com/pipermail/pc_support/attachments/20060618/7e76a635/attachment.html From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sun Jun 18 14:17:16 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Tape drive for small file server .... -- LTO (unless you have existing AIT or DLT assets) In-Reply-To: <449574D0.6070706@cfl.rr.com> References: <449426DE.5060109@HiWAAY.net> <1150564856.6698.361.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <4494BDC8.8050403@carter.cc> <1150635763.2767.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <449574D0.6070706@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1150654636.2767.65.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Sun, 2006-06-18 at 11:44 -0400, patrick wrote: > A funny thing... all your messages, Bryan, come to me with funny > characters in the header. I am running Mozilla Thunderbird, in > Kubuntu Breezy 5.10, loaded fresh today, but, was the same on another > of my AMD Duron computers, yesterday... I looked at my headers -- both before and after, didn't see anything weird. I then looked at my character set -- UTF-8. I guess I _could_ try sending UTF-7 instead, but I don't think it would make any difference. And since I save my folders to mbox format ... $ file Mail/PC_Support Mail/PC_Support: ISO-8859 English text > So, my fonts are interpreting something with an incorrect font > character? It only inserts one or two alternate characters, usually in > the spaces in the Subject area on the download list in my T Bird, > never in the actual reader area... > Funny thing, indeed, it seems to happen with only a couple folks, > besides you. Both on the Leaplists, and the PC Support list. > Can you shed some light, please? What can I do to get my fonts to > read right? Could be some character set support on your end. Could also be my Evolution settings. I've used the same home directory with Evolution since old version 1.4 on-ward. I remember there was a conversion at 2.0, but I'm now on 2.6.2. I might try blowing away my Evolution directory at some point (2 things work weird every since 2.2 or 2.4 IIRC) today and starting with a new directory. The filters and other settings are in XML files, so there's no issue there in re-creating most of the other settings. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------------- The existence of Linux has far more to do with the breakup of AT&T's monopoly than anything Microsoft has ever done. From paulf at quillandmouse.com Sun Jun 18 18:52:39 2006 From: paulf at quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Tape drive for small file server .... -- LTO (unless you have existing AIT or DLT assets) In-Reply-To: <1150654636.2767.65.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <449426DE.5060109@HiWAAY.net> <1150564856.6698.361.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <4494BDC8.8050403@carter.cc> <1150635763.2767.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <449574D0.6070706@cfl.rr.com> <1150654636.2767.65.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <4495D937.8090701@quillandmouse.com> Bryan J. Smith wrote: > On Sun, 2006-06-18 at 11:44 -0400, patrick wrote: >> A funny thing... all your messages, Bryan, come to me with funny >> characters in the header. I am running Mozilla Thunderbird, in >> Kubuntu Breezy 5.10, loaded fresh today, but, was the same on another >> of my AMD Duron computers, yesterday... > > I looked at my headers -- both before and after, didn't see anything > weird. I then looked at my character set -- UTF-8. I guess I _could_ > try sending UTF-7 instead, but I don't think it would make any > difference. > > And since I save my folders to mbox format ... > $ file Mail/PC_Support > Mail/PC_Support: ISO-8859 English text > >> So, my fonts are interpreting something with an incorrect font >> character? It only inserts one or two alternate characters, usually in >> the spaces in the Subject area on the download list in my T Bird, >> never in the actual reader area... >> Funny thing, indeed, it seems to happen with only a couple folks, >> besides you. Both on the Leaplists, and the PC Support list. >> Can you shed some light, please? What can I do to get my fonts to >> read right? > > Could be some character set support on your end. > > Could also be my Evolution settings. I've used the same home directory > with Evolution since old version 1.4 on-ward. I remember there was a > conversion at 2.0, but I'm now on 2.6.2. > > I might try blowing away my Evolution directory at some point (2 things > work weird every since 2.2 or 2.4 IIRC) today and starting with a new > directory. The filters and other settings are in XML files, so there's > no issue there in re-creating most of the other settings. > > FWIW, I have the same issue under Thunderbird 1.5, Debian unstable: odd characters in Bryan's headers. Actually, here's a hint: Thunderbird has a way of displaying the code for characters it can't display, so you can tell the hexadecimal for what they are. In this case, the character in question appears after the "LTO" in the subject, and appears to be x0009, which would be a tab character. But I'm guessing that Tbird can't display it because I don't have it set to display UTF8. -- Paul M. Foster From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sun Jun 18 19:06:37 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:50 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Looking for a Wireless AP ... Message-ID: <1150671997.2767.75.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Well, I made the chronically _stupid_ decision to upgrade my Linksys WAP11G's firmware. I was running with old 1.06 on a very aged design which was the last of the basic 1.0x firmwares and I was looking to enable some WPA goodies in the newer 3.0x firmware. In all honesty, it had been in a box for the last 2 years, and worked but I figured I should upgrade the firmware. I downloaded it from the 1.0 release page and verified the newer 3.0x firmware worked with such an old model. No return after power cycle -- should have known better. Holding in the reset button for 60 seconds to clear the settings didn't fare any better. So now I'm in the market for a new Wireless AP. Doesn't have to be anything great, I'm just going to use some older Prims2.0 11Mbps WLAN cards with it. Have IPCop, Blue Zone, w/OpenVPN plug-in, etc... so I'll just take any standard WAP with WEP, although WPA would be nice too. Kinda curious if anyone is buying the cheap wireless routers and turning them into WAP without the NAT. I don't need the NAT, that's what IPCop is for (hence why I bought the WAP11G before). Or if I should just go for a bridging WAP and not deal with the ones that have NAT and all those headaches. Again, not looking for anything fancy -- just the access point bridge functionality. I use IPCop and other things as a security appliance. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------------- The existence of Linux has far more to do with the breakup of AT&T's monopoly than anything Microsoft has ever done. From wam at HiWAAY.net Sun Jun 18 19:26:24 2006 From: wam at HiWAAY.net (William A. Mahaffey III) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:51 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Tape drive for small file server .... -- LTO (unless you have existing AIT or DLT assets) In-Reply-To: <1150654636.2767.65.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <449426DE.5060109@HiWAAY.net> <1150564856.6698.361.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <4494BDC8.8050403@carter.cc> <1150635763.2767.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <449574D0.6070706@cfl.rr.com> <1150654636.2767.65.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <4495E120.3090006@HiWAAY.net> Bryan J. Smith wrote: >On Sun, 2006-06-18 at 11:44 -0400, patrick wrote: > > >>A funny thing... all your messages, Bryan, come to me with funny >>characters in the header. I am running Mozilla Thunderbird, in >>Kubuntu Breezy 5.10, loaded fresh today, but, was the same on another >>of my AMD Duron computers, yesterday... >> >> > >I looked at my headers -- both before and after, didn't see anything >weird. I then looked at my character set -- UTF-8. I guess I _could_ >try sending UTF-7 instead, but I don't think it would make any >difference. > >And since I save my folders to mbox format ... > $ file Mail/PC_Support > Mail/PC_Support: ISO-8859 English text > > > >>So, my fonts are interpreting something with an incorrect font >>character? It only inserts one or two alternate characters, usually in >>the spaces in the Subject area on the download list in my T Bird, >>never in the actual reader area... >>Funny thing, indeed, it seems to happen with only a couple folks, >>besides you. Both on the Leaplists, and the PC Support list. >>Can you shed some light, please? What can I do to get my fonts to >>read right? >> >> > >Could be some character set support on your end. > >Could also be my Evolution settings. I've used the same home directory >with Evolution since old version 1.4 on-ward. I remember there was a >conversion at 2.0, but I'm now on 2.6.2. > >I might try blowing away my Evolution directory at some point (2 things >work weird every since 2.2 or 2.4 IIRC) today and starting with a new >directory. The filters and other settings are in XML files, so there's >no issue there in re-creating most of the other settings. > > > > FWIW, I note the same thing, *1* wierd character in most of your reply headers. No problema, of course, just observing .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.matrixlist.com/pipermail/pc_support/attachments/20060618/0ce92c73/attachment.html From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sun Jun 18 19:34:17 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:51 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Tape drive for small file server .... -- LTO (unless you have existing AIT or DLT assets) In-Reply-To: <4495E120.3090006@HiWAAY.net> References: <449426DE.5060109@HiWAAY.net> <1150564856.6698.361.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <4494BDC8.8050403@carter.cc> <1150635763.2767.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <449574D0.6070706@cfl.rr.com> <1150654636.2767.65.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <4495E120.3090006@HiWAAY.net> Message-ID: <1150673657.2767.92.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Sun, 2006-06-18 at 18:26 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > FWIW, I note the same thing, *1* wierd character in most of your reply > headers. No problema, of course, just observing .... Could be a limit to the length of a subject -- maybe a carriage return or tab. It could be the list adding it and not just Evolution. I have a tendency to send very long subject lines (especially when I append the subject). -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------------- The existence of Linux has far more to do with the breakup of AT&T's monopoly than anything Microsoft has ever done. From pberry2 at cfl.rr.com Sun Jun 18 21:51:34 2006 From: pberry2 at cfl.rr.com (patrick) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:51 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] header characters In-Reply-To: <1150654636.2767.65.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <449426DE.5060109@HiWAAY.net> <1150564856.6698.361.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <4494BDC8.8050403@carter.cc> <1150635763.2767.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <449574D0.6070706@cfl.rr.com> <1150654636.2767.65.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <44960326.5080006@cfl.rr.com> Bryan J. Smith wrote: >On Sun, 2006-06-18 at 11:44 -0400, patrick wrote: > > >>A funny thing... all your messages, Bryan, come to me with funny >>characters in the header. I am running Mozilla Thunderbird, in >>Kubuntu Breezy 5.10, loaded fresh today, but, was the same on another >>of my AMD Duron computers, yesterday... >> >> > >I looked at my headers -- both before and after, didn't see anything >weird. I then looked at my character set -- UTF-8. I guess I _could_ >try sending UTF-7 instead, but I don't think it would make any >difference. > >And since I save my folders to mbox format ... > $ file Mail/PC_Support > Mail/PC_Support: ISO-8859 English text > > > >>So, my fonts are interpreting something with an incorrect font >>character? It only inserts one or two alternate characters, usually in >>the spaces in the Subject area on the download list in my T Bird, >>never in the actual reader area... >>Funny thing, indeed, it seems to happen with only a couple folks, >>besides you. Both on the Leaplists, and the PC Support list. >>Can you shed some light, please? What can I do to get my fonts to >>read right? >> >> > >Could be some character set support on your end. > >Could also be my Evolution settings. I've used the same home directory >with Evolution since old version 1.4 on-ward. I remember there was a >conversion at 2.0, but I'm now on 2.6.2. > >I might try blowing away my Evolution directory at some point (2 things >work weird every since 2.2 or 2.4 IIRC) today and starting with a new >directory. The filters and other settings are in XML files, so there's >no issue there in re-creating most of the other settings. > > > > OK, now that I have received some more mail... I can see that AFTER I click upon the header to read it, many of the headers get one character that looks like a domino wiht four dots in it, on mail from many list members. So, yes, it looks like a glitch on my receiver, Thunderbird... Learning more, each day! Thanks! From pberry2 at cfl.rr.com Sun Jun 18 21:59:33 2006 From: pberry2 at cfl.rr.com (patrick) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:51 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Looking for a Wireless AP ... In-Reply-To: <1150671997.2767.75.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <1150671997.2767.75.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <44960505.9090106@cfl.rr.com> Bryan J. Smith wrote: >Well, I made the chronically _stupid_ decision to upgrade my Linksys >WAP11G's firmware. I was running with old 1.06 on a very aged design >which was the last of the basic 1.0x firmwares and I was looking to >enable some WPA goodies in the newer 3.0x firmware. In all honesty, it >had been in a box for the last 2 years, and worked but I figured I >should upgrade the firmware. > >I downloaded it from the 1.0 release page and verified the newer 3.0x >firmware worked with such an old model. No return after power cycle -- >should have known better. Holding in the reset button for 60 seconds to >clear the settings didn't fare any better. > >So now I'm in the market for a new Wireless AP. Doesn't have to be >anything great, I'm just going to use some older Prims2.0 11Mbps WLAN >cards with it. Have IPCop, Blue Zone, w/OpenVPN plug-in, etc... so I'll >just take any standard WAP with WEP, although WPA would be nice too. > >Kinda curious if anyone is buying the cheap wireless routers and turning >them into WAP without the NAT. I don't need the NAT, that's what IPCop >is for (hence why I bought the WAP11G before). Or if I should just go >for a bridging WAP and not deal with the ones that have NAT and all >those headaches. > >Again, not looking for anything fancy -- just the access point bridge >functionality. I use IPCop and other things as a security appliance. > > > > > I do not understand how it is not possible to get that thing up and running again... gotta be a way! From pberry2 at cfl.rr.com Sun Jun 18 22:01:41 2006 From: pberry2 at cfl.rr.com (patrick) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:51 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Tape drive for small file server .... -- LTO (unless you have existing AIT or DLT assets) In-Reply-To: <4495D937.8090701@quillandmouse.com> References: <449426DE.5060109@HiWAAY.net> <1150564856.6698.361.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <4494BDC8.8050403@carter.cc> <1150635763.2767.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <449574D0.6070706@cfl.rr.com> <1150654636.2767.65.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <4495D937.8090701@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: <44960585.5040107@cfl.rr.com> Paul M Foster wrote: > Bryan J. Smith wrote: > >> On Sun, 2006-06-18 at 11:44 -0400, patrick wrote: >> >>> A funny thing... all your messages, Bryan, come to me with funny >>> characters in the header. I am running Mozilla Thunderbird, in >>> Kubuntu Breezy 5.10, loaded fresh today, but, was the same on another >>> of my AMD Duron computers, yesterday... >> >> >> I looked at my headers -- both before and after, didn't see anything >> weird. I then looked at my character set -- UTF-8. I guess I _could_ >> try sending UTF-7 instead, but I don't think it would make any >> difference. >> >> And since I save my folders to mbox format ... >> $ file Mail/PC_Support >> Mail/PC_Support: ISO-8859 English text >> >>> So, my fonts are interpreting something with an incorrect font >>> character? It only inserts one or two alternate characters, usually in >>> the spaces in the Subject area on the download list in my T Bird, >>> never in the actual reader area... >>> Funny thing, indeed, it seems to happen with only a couple folks, >>> besides you. Both on the Leaplists, and the PC Support list. >>> Can you shed some light, please? What can I do to get my fonts to >>> read right? >> >> >> Could be some character set support on your end. >> >> Could also be my Evolution settings. I've used the same home directory >> with Evolution since old version 1.4 on-ward. I remember there was a >> conversion at 2.0, but I'm now on 2.6.2. >> >> I might try blowing away my Evolution directory at some point (2 things >> work weird every since 2.2 or 2.4 IIRC) today and starting with a new >> directory. The filters and other settings are in XML files, so there's >> no issue there in re-creating most of the other settings. >> >> > > FWIW, I have the same issue under Thunderbird 1.5, Debian unstable: odd > characters in Bryan's headers. Actually, here's a hint: Thunderbird has > a way of displaying the code for characters it can't display, so you can > tell the hexadecimal for what they are. In this case, the character in > question appears after the "LTO" in the subject, and appears to be > x0009, which would be a tab character. But I'm guessing that Tbird can't > display it because I don't have it set to display UTF8. > Ah! So! same funny character pops up for lots of folk, including you, in that same header, so I would agree with you... Thanks! From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Mon Jun 19 11:21:32 2006 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:51 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Tape drive for small file server .... -- LTO-2 has come down from 2005 In-Reply-To: <1150567476.6698.397.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <449426DE.5060109@HiWAAY.net> <1150564856.6698.361.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <4494403A.6010605@HiWAAY.net> <1150567476.6698.397.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <3A71D3BC-548D-465D-9A57-EEC7CC3133A3@thelimucompany.com> On Jun 17, 2006, at 2:04 PM, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > I actually don't see _any_ LTO on NewEgg. Maybe I'm looking in the > wrong section though. Hold on ... Stupid NewEgg! They don't put > "LTO" > -- they _only_ put "brand names" like "Ultrium." Sigh. According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Tape- Open) the "Ultrium" name is not a HP thing but rather a branding on the original entry-level LTO-1 to separate it from a two-reel LTO-1- based sibling dubbed "Accelis". As a result it is technically accurate to use Ultrium as a synonym for LTO. Also, the Wikipedia article says "An Ultrium drive is expected to read data from a cartridge in its own generation and at least the two prior generations", so as you suggested here's hoping that they manage to keep LTO-1-read compatibility for LTO-4. > Wow! LTO-2 has indeed come downin price! $1,599 for this Quantum > LTO-2 We got one for about $1699 from CDW fairly recently, I didn't think of double-checking for the latest prices at the time, but I'm not going to fuss now. $45 seems to be the norm for LTO-2 tapes too, several of the big name stores have them at that price. FYI we got probably that exact same drive and it works well. > If you go LTO-2, make sure you can give it a _sustained_ 100MBps DTR > storage array! Otherwise you'll add unnecessary time and wear > (although > LTO claims it dynamically slows the linear tape speed when the feed > DTR > is constrained). We back up about 70gb off the server that the LTO-2 drive is on and have another ~50gb from around the network to backup. Given that the file server doesn't have enough space for a local backup of everything (a RAID-5 with only space enough in the server for one more SCSI drive, and IDE is physically out of the question), what do you suggest for improving this? > But if LTO-2 is becoming more popular as a drive, LTO-2 cartridges > might drop to $30+ in the next year or so. That'd be good. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - dmckenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Mon Jun 19 11:24:06 2006 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:51 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Tape drive for small file server .... -- LTO (unless you have existing AIT or DLT assets) In-Reply-To: <4495D937.8090701@quillandmouse.com> References: <449426DE.5060109@HiWAAY.net> <1150564856.6698.361.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <4494BDC8.8050403@carter.cc> <1150635763.2767.18.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <449574D0.6070706@cfl.rr.com> <1150654636.2767.65.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <4495D937.8090701@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: On Jun 18, 2006, at 6:52 PM, Paul M Foster wrote: > FWIW, I have the same issue under Thunderbird 1.5, Debian unstable: > odd > characters in Bryan's headers. Actually, here's a hint: Thunderbird > has > a way of displaying the code for characters it can't display, so > you can > tell the hexadecimal for what they are. In this case, the character in > question appears after the "LTO" in the subject, and appears to be > x0009, which would be a tab character. But I'm guessing that Tbird > can't > display it because I don't have it set to display UTF8. I've noticed this happen in Thunderbird when a subject line wraps onto a second line then gets tabbed in to be nicer to read in plaintext, I guess they want to try to avoid having an occasion where the first word at the start of the line has a colon or something. I'd personally consider it a bug in Thunderbird. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - dmckenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Jun 19 14:49:13 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:51 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Tape drive for small file server .... -- LTO-2 has come down from 2005 In-Reply-To: <3A71D3BC-548D-465D-9A57-EEC7CC3133A3@thelimucompany.com> References: <449426DE.5060109@HiWAAY.net> <1150564856.6698.361.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <4494403A.6010605@HiWAAY.net> <1150567476.6698.397.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <3A71D3BC-548D-465D-9A57-EEC7CC3133A3@thelimucompany.com> Message-ID: <1150742953.2761.79.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 11:21 -0400, Damien McKenna wrote: > According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Tape- > Open) the "Ultrium" name is not a HP thing but rather a branding on > the original entry-level LTO-1 to separate it from a two-reel LTO-1- > based sibling dubbed "Accelis". As a result it is technically > accurate to use Ultrium as a synonym for LTO. It's actually both. It's both a branding but also a differential from Accelis, also a brand name as well. There are some trademark issues with its use, whereas LTO is the defacto generic standard term. In other words, if you don't notice it in _many_ of my posts, I don't like to use "brand names" to describe technology, but the generic technology terms when applicable or appropriate. ;-> > We got one for about $1699 from CDW fairly recently, I didn't think > of double-checking for the latest prices at the time, but I'm not > going to fuss now. $45 seems to be the norm for LTO-2 tapes too, > several of the big name stores have them at that price. My last major install of LTO was mid-2005 (at Boeing). Since then most of my clients have either had their own facilities (often outsourced to CSC, IBM or similar), or were just ... well ... "not of keen foresight." ;-> > We back up about 70gb off the server that the LTO-2 drive is on and > have another ~50gb from around the network to backup. Given that the > file server doesn't have enough space for a local backup of > everything (a RAID-5 with only space enough in the server for one > more SCSI drive, and IDE is physically out of the question), what do > you suggest for improving this? Throw in a 3Ware card and a few drives -- or go external U320 SCSI subsystem if you need to. Your tape stream should be sustained to maximum and not bumping up against windows or limited by network throughput. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------------- The existence of Linux has far more to do with the breakup of AT&T's monopoly than anything Microsoft has ever done. From b.j.smith at ieee.org Tue Jun 20 17:34:22 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:51 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Blackcomb--er, Vienna, proof the death of Cairo--er, Longhorn, is now complete ... Message-ID: <1150839262.2761.609.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> No sir, we're not talking about "Longhorn" anymore. It's now here! We're only talking about Vista. "Longhorn" R&D is not worth talking about anymore, we're delivering you a great OS! It's more secure, boots 5% faster on average and even better! "WinFX technologies"? Oh, yeah, well, don't worry about those, we're adding them later. Oh, you still want WinFX? Vista is great! Isn't Vista great? Yeah, oh ... when were we going to add them? Well, truth is, we've already decided to add them to the next release of Windows. "Vienna" will add WinFX, MONAD and other true .NET security with authentication and certificates and all those wipper-snappier technologies! Vista is great! Isn't Vista great? And if Vista is great, won't "Vienna" be even better?! All those neato WinFX technologies, they're going to be in "Vienna." Yes sir, a true .NET platform, that's "Vienna"! We're going to add them to Vienna. We want to do it right. Isn't Vista great? It's almost here! And if you think Vista is cool, you're going to love "Vienna!" We're making it true .NET, adding a new filesystem, a new execution environment and a total security overall -- all true .NET! Yes sir! "Vienna" is the future! Wouldn't you like a brand new filesystem? How about a UNIX-like security model with a true, protected scripting environment? And what about full certificate-based authentication and encryption, for all services? Yep, that's "Vienna"! We've been working on it for years, and it's coming! Until then, Vista is more secure! It's great! We can't do everything, but it's going to be more secure! We've improved Win32 and improved MS IE! And there's a new version of MS Office! Totally written for and native to only Vista! But we realize not everyone is moving to Vista, so we made it so MS Office can run on Windows 2000SP3 and later too! We give you better security but the ability to run old apps! Isn't Vista great? And if you think Vista, the new Office and IE 7 is cool, you'll love "Vienna." It's going to be .NET, a new security model, a new filesystem with SQL and a new, protected scripting environment far more security than UNIX, and everything will be authenticated, encrypted, signed and viruses and spyware c