From wam at HiWAAY.net Sat Apr 1 09:33:47 2006 From: wam at HiWAAY.net (William A. Mahaffey III) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:45 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Asus CUV4X-E mbd question .... Message-ID: <442E8F4B.7040804@HiWAAY.net> .... I have a 933 MHz PIII (this box, as it happens), running SuSE 8.2 Personal. The box has an Asus CUV4X-E S370 (PIII) mbd, with a 10 GB HDD mounting root (/) & swap partitions, and a 20 GB HDD mounting /home. I want to upgrade the 20 GB to something larger. I have had 1st hand problems w/ boards from that era being limited in the size of HDD they could use (often limited to 33.4 GB HDD's). The solution was usually to flash the BIOS w/ an upgraded BIOS from the manufacturer. I haven't looked, but I doubt anything is still available from Asus for this board. The question (finally) is: Does anyone know 1st hand if this board has any limitations on the size of HDD it can accomodate ? I did read the manual & it was mum about such limitations. I also goggled 'Asus CUV4X-E HDD size limitations' & only saw references to a ~131 GB limitation. TIA for your time. -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton From lists at brianrose.net Sat Apr 1 20:30:04 2006 From: lists at brianrose.net (Brian Rose) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:45 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Asus CUV4X-E mbd question .... In-Reply-To: <442E8F4B.7040804@HiWAAY.net> References: <442E8F4B.7040804@HiWAAY.net> Message-ID: <442F291C.2010307@brianrose.net> William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > > .... I have a 933 MHz PIII (this box, as it happens), running SuSE 8.2 > Personal. The box has an Asus CUV4X-E S370 (PIII) mbd, with a 10 GB HDD > mounting root (/) & swap partitions, and a 20 GB HDD mounting /home. I > want to upgrade the 20 GB to something larger. I have had 1st hand > problems w/ boards from that era being limited in the size of HDD they > could use (often limited to 33.4 GB HDD's). The solution was usually to > flash the BIOS w/ an upgraded BIOS from the manufacturer. I haven't > looked, but I doubt anything is still available from Asus for this > board. The question (finally) is: Does anyone know 1st hand if this > board has any limitations on the size of HDD it can accomodate ? I did > read the manual & it was mum about such limitations. I also goggled > 'Asus CUV4X-E HDD size limitations' & only saw references to a ~131 GB > limitation. TIA for your time. > The BIOS limitations are only a problem if you want to boot from the drive in question. Once the bootloader loads the OS, then the OS should be talking to the drives. Since you are talking about switching out your /home drive, you should have no problems, since that drive is accessed by the OS, and not the BIOS. It could be a problem if you had a configuration where you had SuSE on the first drive and another OS on the second for dual booting. Then you would have to make sure that your BIOS could recognize the drive and the first partition, etc. But since that is not the case, you should be able to use any modern drive for your application. From hescominsoon at emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Sun Apr 2 10:19:45 2006 From: hescominsoon at emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:45 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Asus CUV4X-E mbd question .... In-Reply-To: <442E8F4B.7040804@HiWAAY.net> References: <442E8F4B.7040804@HiWAAY.net> Message-ID: <442FDD81.2010306@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> another very easy and cheap way around the bios limitation is to use a pci ice card and put your large hdd's on it. William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > > .... I have a 933 MHz PIII (this box, as it happens), running SuSE 8.2 > Personal. The box has an Asus CUV4X-E S370 (PIII) mbd, with a 10 GB HDD > mounting root (/) & swap partitions, and a 20 GB HDD mounting /home. I > want to upgrade the 20 GB to something larger. I have had 1st hand > problems w/ boards from that era being limited in the size of HDD they > could use (often limited to 33.4 GB HDD's). The solution was usually to > flash the BIOS w/ an upgraded BIOS from the manufacturer. I haven't > looked, but I doubt anything is still available from Asus for this > board. The question (finally) is: Does anyone know 1st hand if this > board has any limitations on the size of HDD it can accomodate ? I did > read the manual & it was mum about such limitations. I also goggled > 'Asus CUV4X-E HDD size limitations' & only saw references to a ~131 GB > limitation. TIA for your time. > -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" CDTT (Certified Duct Tape Technician) Linux user #322099 Machines: 206822 256638 276825 http://counter.li.org/ From jasonb at edseek.com Sun Apr 2 19:36:33 2006 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:45 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Case airflow dynamics? Message-ID: <200604021936.34119.jasonb@edseek.com> Anyone know of any good resources on case airflow dynamics? I've been trying to reduce the noise signature of my systems without overly compromising airflow and with it drive and CPU temperature, but have found amusing results. Perhaps obvious, but on one system with 3 x 300GB ATA disk in 5.25" bays one bay down from the top of a large tower case (the top bay has, by general convention, the DVD-ROM drive) I found that simply removing the lowest front face plate resulted in a 3-5C drop in drive temperature. Effective, but somewhat ugly looking. Another more amusing example, I added a 12cm fan bay cooler that occupies 3 of 6 5.25" bays in another tower case. The four disk drive cage in the back above the PSU with four ATA disk and two 8cm fans side by side aren't any cooler with the 12cm bay cooler than without. I almost find that comical as I blew $23 shipped on the cooler. It looks neat, though. Perhaps in the future I need to buy those expensive airflow friendly cases instead of a less expensive, random case. (Although my AOpen AH700A tower case wasn't exactly cheap and is quite roomy.) -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff From pberry2 at cfl.rr.com Sun Apr 2 13:02:25 2006 From: pberry2 at cfl.rr.com (patrick) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:45 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Case airflow dynamics? In-Reply-To: <200604021936.34119.jasonb@edseek.com> References: <200604021936.34119.jasonb@edseek.com> Message-ID: <1143997345.4264.3.camel@linex-aP99si> On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 18:36 -0500, Jason Boxman wrote: > Anyone know of any good resources on case airflow dynamics? I've been trying > to reduce the noise signature of my systems without overly compromising > airflow and with it drive and CPU temperature, but have found amusing > results. > > Perhaps obvious, but on one system with 3 x 300GB ATA disk in 5.25" bays one > bay down from the top of a large tower case (the top bay has, by general > convention, the DVD-ROM drive) I found that simply removing the lowest front > face plate resulted in a 3-5C drop in drive temperature. Effective, but > somewhat ugly looking. I grabbed some Floppy/Zip drive adapters, using the side rails to fit my hot scsi hard drives into the large bays, and putting expanded metal mesh into the opening so they get lots of air flow, and the front looks neat. > > Another more amusing example, I added a 12cm fan bay cooler that occupies 3 of > 6 5.25" bays in another tower case. The four disk drive cage in the back > above the PSU with four ATA disk and two 8cm fans side by side aren't any > cooler with the 12cm bay cooler than without. I almost find that comical as > I blew $23 shipped on the cooler. It looks neat, though. > > Perhaps in the future I need to buy those expensive airflow friendly cases > instead of a less expensive, random case. (Although my AOpen AH700A tower > case wasn't exactly cheap and is quite roomy.) > I am using any cases that come to hand... Have about 20 on hand, empty, with the boards ready to go in... got sidetracked working on Macs and restoring old video arcade games, over at the MacDoctor... From justinkz at gmail.com Sun Apr 2 20:38:02 2006 From: justinkz at gmail.com (Justin M. Keyes) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:45 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Case airflow dynamics? In-Reply-To: <200604021936.34119.jasonb@edseek.com> References: <200604021936.34119.jasonb@edseek.com> Message-ID: <53b562310604021738t220a6066ld32146180c80f46f@mail.gmail.com> On 4/2/06, Jason Boxman wrote: > Anyone know of any good resources on case airflow dynamics? I've been trying > to reduce the noise signature of my systems without overly compromising > airflow and with it drive and CPU temperature, but have found amusing > results. > > Perhaps obvious, but on one system with 3 x 300GB ATA disk in 5.25" bays one > bay down from the top of a large tower case (the top bay has, by general > convention, the DVD-ROM drive) I found that simply removing the lowest front > face plate resulted in a 3-5C drop in drive temperature. Effective, but > somewhat ugly looking. > > Another more amusing example, I added a 12cm fan bay cooler that occupies 3 of > 6 5.25" bays in another tower case. The four disk drive cage in the back > above the PSU with four ATA disk and two 8cm fans side by side aren't any > cooler with the 12cm bay cooler than without. I almost find that comical as > I blew $23 shipped on the cooler. It looks neat, though. > > Perhaps in the future I need to buy those expensive airflow friendly cases > instead of a less expensive, random case. (Although my AOpen AH700A tower > case wasn't exactly cheap and is quite roomy.) Probably you know this already, but, Bryan's advice over the years has been: (1) airflow coming in (from the front) is more important than airflow/fans in the back, i.e., getting cool air IN is more important than getting hot air OUT... (2) the fans should generally be blowing in the same direction--having a fan blowing out of the back, and another blowing out of the top, and another on the side, is counter-productive; (3) contrary to common sense, a closed case (with proper airflow) is cooled better than an open case. Not sure how that relates to your experiences with the front slot. -- Justin M. Keyes From jasonb at edseek.com Sun Apr 2 22:38:36 2006 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:45 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Case airflow dynamics? In-Reply-To: <53b562310604021738t220a6066ld32146180c80f46f@mail.gmail.com> References: <200604021936.34119.jasonb@edseek.com> <53b562310604021738t220a6066ld32146180c80f46f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200604022238.36168.jasonb@edseek.com> On Sunday 02 April 2006 20:38, Justin M. Keyes wrote: > Probably you know this already, but, Bryan's advice over the years has > been: (1) airflow coming in (from the front) is more important than > airflow/fans in the back, i.e., getting cool air IN is more important > than getting hot air OUT.. Yes, I got that impression from threads at Silent PC Review, too. I was hoping the 12cm bay cooler @ +12V would be pushing in more air than I was sucking out, giving me some positive air pressure. Perhaps it isn't, though, or that's not my problem. > (2) the fans should generally be blowing in the same direction--having > a fan blowing out of the back, and another blowing out of the top, and > another on the side, is counter-productive; I try to avoid that. My workstation actually has a top fan blowing air into the case, since there's no front intake, and then one out the back blowing air out. It seems to be working pretty good, even @ +5V for both 8cm fans. The PSU has a huge 12cm that's usually spinning very slowly. > (3) contrary to common sense, a closed case (with proper airflow) is > cooled better than an open case. Not sure how that relates to your > experiences with the front slot. Yeah, that was my understanding as well. I must not be getting enough air into the case, as removing a single plastic panel ought not to allow so much fresh air in that that is helping cool things done. On the plus side, I did manage to avoid electrocution while replacing a 8cm fan in an old Enlight PSU that was nearly loud than the six drives in my H700A tower. It would constantly whine, on and off. After removing it I noticed the 8cm fan was date stamped from 1998. I guess it was running dry, oil-wise. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff From jasonb at edseek.com Sun Apr 2 22:39:35 2006 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Case airflow dynamics? In-Reply-To: <1143997345.4264.3.camel@linex-aP99si> References: <200604021936.34119.jasonb@edseek.com> <1143997345.4264.3.camel@linex-aP99si> Message-ID: <200604022239.35953.jasonb@edseek.com> On Sunday 02 April 2006 13:02, patrick wrote: > I grabbed some Floppy/Zip drive adapters, using the side rails to fit > my hot scsi hard drives into the large bays, and putting expanded metal > mesh into the opening so they get lots of air flow, and the front looks > neat. That's a cool idea. Where do you buy your metal mesh stuff? -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff From justinkz at gmail.com Mon Apr 3 03:41:27 2006 From: justinkz at gmail.com (Justin M. Keyes) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Case airflow dynamics? In-Reply-To: <200604022239.35953.jasonb@edseek.com> References: <200604021936.34119.jasonb@edseek.com> <1143997345.4264.3.camel@linex-aP99si> <200604022239.35953.jasonb@edseek.com> Message-ID: <53b562310604030041s553d9563h476011ac9eb25417@mail.gmail.com> On 4/2/06, Jason Boxman wrote: > My workstation actually has a top fan blowing air into > the case, since there's no front intake, You mean you don't have the option to put a fan on front? I'd bet a dozen turtles that that is the problem. *Turtles* Try disabling the top intake--it may be counteracting the PSU, which is trying to pull air OUT of the very same area? From what I understand, there are parts of your case that are seeing virtually zero airflow. On 4/2/06, Jason Boxman wrote: > On Sunday 02 April 2006 13:02, patrick wrote: > > > I grabbed some Floppy/Zip drive adapters, using the side rails to fit > > my hot scsi hard drives into the large bays, and putting expanded metal > > mesh into the opening so they get lots of air flow, and the front looks > > neat. > > That's a cool idea. Where do you buy your metal mesh stuff? I actually looked around for metal mesh and all that crap a while ago and I just ended up going to Home Depot. I also tried various air filter material... But I read a _ton_ of opinions (including an engineer who gave a very lucid explanation--can't find the URL, unfortunately) on this issue, and the bottom line is that there is no discernable advantage to using air filters to block dust, because the dust builds up in the filter, blocks the airflow, and causes poor cooling, rather quickly. Mesh (not high-density air-filters), however, may perhaps be worth your time, if only to block the "big" stuff. I guess. -- Justin M. Keyes From jasonb at edseek.com Mon Apr 3 10:42:12 2006 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Case airflow dynamics? In-Reply-To: <53b562310604030041s553d9563h476011ac9eb25417@mail.gmail.com> References: <200604021936.34119.jasonb@edseek.com> <200604022239.35953.jasonb@edseek.com> <53b562310604030041s553d9563h476011ac9eb25417@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200604031042.12344.jasonb@edseek.com> On Monday 03 April 2006 03:41, Justin M. Keyes wrote: > On 4/2/06, Jason Boxman wrote: > > My workstation actually has a top fan blowing air into > > the case, since there's no front intake, > > You mean you don't have the option to put a fan on front? I'd bet a > dozen turtles that that is the problem. *Turtles* I've never owned a case with an actual intake in the front. I've seen fans mounted in the front, but they're blowing air from apparently nowhere and not taking in fresh air from the outside. > Try disabling the top intake--it may be counteracting the PSU, which > is trying to pull air OUT of the very same area? From what I > understand, there are parts of your case that are seeing virtually > zero airflow. Could be. This particular case is my desktop and it does pretty okay with respect to temperature. The intake fan on top is in the middle of the case, blowing downwarding. The PSU and rear exhaust are in the far back, of course. I thought blowing in some fresh air would increase the ease with which the external blowing fans could get air out of the case as there's nothing blowing in air from the front at all. > On 4/2/06, Jason Boxman wrote: > > On Sunday 02 April 2006 13:02, patrick wrote: > > > > > > > I grabbed some Floppy/Zip drive adapters, using the side rails to fit > > > my hot scsi hard drives into the large bays, and putting expanded metal > > > mesh into the opening so they get lots of air flow, and the front looks > > > neat. > > > > That's a cool idea. Where do you buy your metal mesh stuff? > > I actually looked around for metal mesh and all that crap a while ago > and I just ended up going to Home Depot. I also tried various air > filter material... > > But I read a _ton_ of opinions (including an engineer who gave a very > lucid explanation--can't find the URL, unfortunately) on this issue, > and the bottom line is that there is no discernable advantage to using > air filters to block dust, because the dust builds up in the filter, > blocks the airflow, and causes poor cooling, rather quickly. > > Mesh (not high-density air-filters), however, may perhaps be worth > your time, if only to block the "big" stuff. I guess. Interesting idea. I know on Silent PC Review it's pretty common for people to 'bezel' out their metal fan guards on cases and put, perhaps, those really large finger guards in front, but nothing else. My new Kama Bay has a huge dust filter for the 12cm fan, but I thought it was odd. I thought if you had enough positive case pressure you'd keep a lot of dust out that way? I think I might try removing the dust filter on that, although it's a pain to remove and I don't quite want to mess with it yet. I don't have any power tools to rip the metal fan guards out of these cases, unfortunately. I sort of hate having to take tools to cases, anyway. I'm not really a shop kind of guy I guess. I'd rather have it working correctly out-of-the-box than to have to modify the box itself... Thanks. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff From jasonb at edseek.com Mon Apr 3 11:42:38 2006 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Case airflow dynamics? In-Reply-To: <53b562310604030041s553d9563h476011ac9eb25417@mail.gmail.com> References: <200604021936.34119.jasonb@edseek.com> <1143997345.4264.3.camel@linex-aP99si> <200604022239.35953.jasonb@edseek.com> <53b562310604030041s553d9563h476011ac9eb25417@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <34655.216.134.200.78.1144078958.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> Justin M. Keyes wrote: > > I actually looked around for metal mesh and all that crap a while ago > and I just ended up going to Home Depot. I also tried various air > filter material... > > But I read a _ton_ of opinions (including an engineer who gave a very > lucid explanation--can't find the URL, unfortunately) on this issue, > and the bottom line is that there is no discernable advantage to using > air filters to block dust, because the dust builds up in the filter, > blocks the airflow, and causes poor cooling, rather quickly. > > Mesh (not high-density air-filters), however, may perhaps be worth > your time, if only to block the "big" stuff. I guess. I found this, although it might be a bit expensive and I'd probably have to cut it again (somehow). http://www.mnpctech.com/moddersmesh.html From justinkz at gmail.com Mon Apr 3 14:12:40 2006 From: justinkz at gmail.com (Justin M. Keyes) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Case airflow dynamics? In-Reply-To: <34655.216.134.200.78.1144078958.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> References: <200604021936.34119.jasonb@edseek.com> <1143997345.4264.3.camel@linex-aP99si> <200604022239.35953.jasonb@edseek.com> <53b562310604030041s553d9563h476011ac9eb25417@mail.gmail.com> <34655.216.134.200.78.1144078958.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> Message-ID: <53b562310604031112m3fdcb399i5390f628169e8e30@mail.gmail.com> On 4/3/06, Jason Boxman wrote: > Justin M. Keyes wrote: > > > > I actually looked around for metal mesh and all that crap a while ago > > and I just ended up going to Home Depot. I also tried various air > > filter material... > > > > But I read a _ton_ of opinions (including an engineer who gave a very > > lucid explanation--can't find the URL, unfortunately) on this issue, > > and the bottom line is that there is no discernable advantage to using > > air filters to block dust, because the dust builds up in the filter, > > blocks the airflow, and causes poor cooling, rather quickly. > > > > Mesh (not high-density air-filters), however, may perhaps be worth > > your time, if only to block the "big" stuff. I guess. > > I found this, although it might be a bit expensive and I'd probably have to > cut it again (somehow). > > http://www.mnpctech.com/moddersmesh.html Yeah that looks like chicken wire. You can find it at home depot or Lowe's or whatever. You can cut it with scissors ;) Works well against beaks. -- Justin M. Keyes From ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net Mon Apr 3 17:57:25 2006 From: ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net (Austin Denyer (Ozz)) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Case airflow dynamics? In-Reply-To: <53b562310604021738t220a6066ld32146180c80f46f@mail.gmail.com> References: <200604021936.34119.jasonb@edseek.com> <53b562310604021738t220a6066ld32146180c80f46f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060403175725.34b0c604.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:38:02 -0400, "Justin M. Keyes" wrote: > > (3) contrary to common sense, a closed case (with proper airflow) is > cooled better than an open case. Not sure how that relates to your > experiences with the front slot. I'll never forget the days of the old IBM PS/2 desktop systems (PS/2-30, PS/2-35, etc.) - you could reduce the internal temperature about 10 degrees by plugging the vents around the bottom with duct tape. Regards, Ozz. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.matrixlist.com/pipermail/pc_support/attachments/20060403/a67091be/attachment.bin From Bruce.Metcalf at figzu.com Mon Apr 3 15:29:04 2006 From: Bruce.Metcalf at figzu.com (Bruce Metcalf) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Asus CUV4X-E mbd question .... In-Reply-To: <442E8F4B.7040804@HiWAAY.net> References: <442E8F4B.7040804@HiWAAY.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060403151905.03519610@figzu.com> At 10:33 AM 4/1/2006, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >.... I have a 933 MHz PIII (this box, as it happens), running SuSE >8.2 Personal. The box has an Asus CUV4X-E S370 (PIII) mbd, with a 10 >GB HDD mounting root (/) & swap partitions, and a 20 GB HDD mounting >/home. I want to upgrade the 20 GB to something larger. I have had >1st hand problems w/ boards from that era being limited in the size >of HDD they could use (often limited to 33.4 GB HDD's). The solution >was usually to flash the BIOS w/ an upgraded BIOS from the >manufacturer. I haven't looked, but I doubt anything is still >available from Asus for this board. Current BIOS downloads available from ASUS at are revisions 1005.005 and 1006.005, depending on whether you have onboard sound or not. Both are dated 2002/09/11. >The question (finally) is: Does anyone know 1st hand if this board >has any limitations on the size of HDD it can accomodate ? I did >read the manual & it was mum about such limitations. I also goggled >'Asus CUV4X-E HDD size limitations' & only saw references to a ~131 >GB limitation. ASUS claims that your motherboard will handle up to 137GB hard drives if the BIOS is revision 1004.002 or higher. The ASUS web site is difficult to navigate, and is unavailable to indexing, but so far I've found that persistence will reveal all the data I've needed over the years. Bruce Metcalf, Lake Buena Vista, FL From pberry2 at cfl.rr.com Wed Apr 5 00:34:44 2006 From: pberry2 at cfl.rr.com (patrick) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Case airflow dynamics? In-Reply-To: <53b562310604031112m3fdcb399i5390f628169e8e30@mail.gmail.com> References: <200604021936.34119.jasonb@edseek.com> <1143997345.4264.3.camel@linex-aP99si> <200604022239.35953.jasonb@edseek.com> <53b562310604030041s553d9563h476011ac9eb25417@mail.gmail.com> <34655.216.134.200.78.1144078958.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <53b562310604031112m3fdcb399i5390f628169e8e30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <443348E4.1020604@cfl.rr.com> Justin M. Keyes wrote: >On 4/3/06, Jason Boxman wrote: > > >>Justin M. Keyes wrote: >> >> >>>I actually looked around for metal mesh and all that crap a while ago >>>and I just ended up going to Home Depot. I also tried various air >>>filter material... >>> >>>But I read a _ton_ of opinions (including an engineer who gave a very >>>lucid explanation--can't find the URL, unfortunately) on this issue, >>>and the bottom line is that there is no discernable advantage to using >>>air filters to block dust, because the dust builds up in the filter, >>>blocks the airflow, and causes poor cooling, rather quickly. >>> >>>Mesh (not high-density air-filters), however, may perhaps be worth >>>your time, if only to block the "big" stuff. I guess. >>> >>> >>I found this, although it might be a bit expensive and I'd probably have to >>cut it again (somehow). >> >>http://www.mnpctech.com/moddersmesh.html >> >> > >Yeah that looks like chicken wire. You can find it at home depot or >Lowe's or whatever. You can cut it with scissors ;) Works well against >beaks. > >-- >Justin M. Keyes >_______________________________________________ >Pc_support mailing list >Pc_support@matrixlist.com >http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support > > > The MESH I used is the rain gutter leaf blocking metal mesh... a strip of it is about 2 feet long, by 6 to 8 inches wide, and comes in silver, and some colors. cost is about $2.12 after taxes. It is expanded aluminum, sold in all the hardware stores, and I cut it with those cheap stainless steel $1 scissors, from Dollar Tree next to Publix, in Butler Plaza, at Howell Branch Road and Semoran... From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Fri Apr 7 11:42:14 2006 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Compaq SCSI drive caddies? Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1D90DE2@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> I'm attempting to find some caddies for SCSI drives for a server I'm upgrading. The caddy looks like this: http://timefrost.com/fistok/images/compaqhddb.jpg but I'm having a hard time getting a part # for it, or whether there are other ones compatible with it, as the only ones I have on hand are in a busy server. Any suggestions on what to do? Thanks. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Fri Apr 7 15:03:26 2006 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Compaq SCSI drive caddies? Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1D90DF6@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> A related question for y'all, does anyone know if the hot-swappable drives sold by HP/Compaq for the DL380 could be replaced with generic drives or if they might be "tweaked" somehow? -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From pberry2 at cfl.rr.com Fri Apr 7 19:57:25 2006 From: pberry2 at cfl.rr.com (patrick) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Compaq SCSI drive caddies? In-Reply-To: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1D90DE2@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> References: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1D90DE2@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> Message-ID: <4436FC65.7020702@cfl.rr.com> Damien McKenna wrote: >I'm attempting to find some caddies for SCSI drives for a server I'm >upgrading. The caddy looks like this: >http://timefrost.com/fistok/images/compaqhddb.jpg but I'm having a hard >time getting a part # for it, or whether there are other ones compatible >with it, as the only ones I have on hand are in a busy server. Any >suggestions on what to do? Thanks. > > > It doesn't resemble the ones I have, that came with drives I won on ebay. Sorry! I am seeking 5 or the caddys for my Intel hot swap bay... has the blue release I think. like this: > http://cgi.ebay.com/Intel-5-Drive-Hot-Swap-module-U320-U160-SCSI-Raid_W0QQitemZ9708227295QQcategoryZ1484QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting Diod you search ebay? From pberry2 at cfl.rr.com Sun Apr 9 13:25:29 2006 From: pberry2 at cfl.rr.com (patrick) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Compaq SCSI drive caddies? In-Reply-To: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1D90DE2@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> References: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1D90DE2@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> Message-ID: <44394389.7040709@cfl.rr.com> Damien McKenna wrote: >I'm attempting to find some caddies for SCSI drives for a server I'm >upgrading. The caddy looks like this: >http://timefrost.com/fistok/images/compaqhddb.jpg but I'm having a hard >time getting a part # for it, or whether there are other ones compatible >with it, as the only ones I have on hand are in a busy server. Any >suggestions on what to do? Thanks. > > > I have two Caddies that are EMC brand, for up to 1.6" hard drives! I don't think they will help you, but, does anyone want to trade for them? Sorting out my storage, might find more stuff... ya never know... Have a need for 5 trays aka Intel caddies for my hotswap 5 bay (320mbs) box. Listing show it to be a SC5200. From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Tue Apr 11 09:56:30 2006 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Thatsalotaconnectors - new nForce/Athlon64 board Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1D90E93@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2739 A new Socket 939 (Athlon 64) motherboard from MSI that has enough connectors to keep just about anyone happy. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Tue Apr 11 14:00:03 2006 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] More ATX power supplies Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1D90EAE@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/atx-psu4.html A fairly detailed look at some new highend desktop ATX PSUs. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Thu Apr 20 14:12:02 2006 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Paul Thurrott explains why Vista & MSFT suck Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1D9114D@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_5308_05.asp -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From damien at mc-kenna.com Fri Apr 21 09:44:02 2006 From: damien at mc-kenna.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] 750gb hard drives!! Message-ID: <4448E1A2.5030102@mc-kenna.com> From the "Jinkies!" department, Seagate just announced 750gb hard drives based on their new perpendicular storage technique: http://dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1896 You know, that's 1000 times larger than my first HD? Damien From tim at mcdonough.net Fri Apr 21 10:17:32 2006 From: tim at mcdonough.net (Tim McDonough) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] 750gb hard drives!! In-Reply-To: <4448E1A2.5030102@mc-kenna.com> References: <4448E1A2.5030102@mc-kenna.com> Message-ID: <4448E97C.6040703@mcdonough.net> Damien McKenna wrote: > From the "Jinkies!" department, Seagate just announced 750gb hard > drives based on their new perpendicular storage technique: > http://dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1896 > > You know, that's 1000 times larger than my first HD? > > Damien The times do change don't they? The first computer I owned with a hard disk was a CP/M based system. It had a SCSI interface with a "huge" 10MB (yes megabyte!) Xebec "Owl" drive. The Xebec drive was very leading edge at the time -- it was a half height 5.25" form factor. The system is still packed away. Someday when I'm bored I should try to boot it up. -- Tim From pberry2 at cfl.rr.com Sat Apr 22 00:21:10 2006 From: pberry2 at cfl.rr.com (patrick) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] 750gb hard drives!! In-Reply-To: <4448E1A2.5030102@mc-kenna.com> References: <4448E1A2.5030102@mc-kenna.com> Message-ID: <4449AF36.1020706@cfl.rr.com> Damien McKenna wrote: > From the "Jinkies!" department, Seagate just announced 750gb hard > drives based on their new perpendicular storage technique: > http://dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1896 > > You know, that's 1000 times larger than my first HD? > > Damien > _______________________________________________ > Pc_support mailing list > Pc_support@matrixlist.com > http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support > A MAC customer at MacCoctor wants to enlarge his G5 dual processor machine, as he does commercial video movies for Wild Life non-profits. (I am there, building R2-d2, then, an R5, and fixing MACs). He has dual 250Gb sata drives. And, an external 400Gb drive. Movie footage typically runs about 100 Gb. Says external 750's would be good. Advice is NOT to run dual 750GB drives internally, as drive maintenance, back ups, and file management (runs twice monthly) can be a genuine time waster! Am approaching a terabyte, on my home network... 160Gb Maxtor, plus an 80Gb WD on Xerp ( dual boot), two 80Gb on this Kubuntu linux box, 120 Gb and 80 Gb on PCLinux AMD2.0 box Six 50GB Seagate 10,000 rpm Seagate Cheetah SCSI drives, and Four 18.2 Gb Seagate Cheetah 10k rpm SCSI drives, and six 9Gb Scsi drives on three server boxen... Hmmm! It looks like 1.024 Terabytes... Not counting the 15 node Cluster... From justinkz at gmail.com Sun Apr 23 16:25:15 2006 From: justinkz at gmail.com (Justin M. Keyes) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] 750gb hard drives!! In-Reply-To: <4449AF36.1020706@cfl.rr.com> References: <4448E1A2.5030102@mc-kenna.com> <4449AF36.1020706@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <53b562310604231325l2282fd68k76edc66fca005972@mail.gmail.com> On 4/22/06, patrick wrote: > Damien McKenna wrote: > > > From the "Jinkies!" department, Seagate just announced 750gb hard > > drives based on their new perpendicular storage technique: > > http://dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1896 > > > > You know, that's 1000 times larger than my first HD? > > > > > A MAC customer at MacCoctor wants to enlarge his G5 dual processor MacCoctor wants to enlarge his G5? -- Justin M. Keyes From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Mon Apr 24 09:23:19 2006 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] 4x Opteron beats 4x Xeon Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1D911C8@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2745 Anandtech put together a comparison of two 4-processor dual-core servers: one that had Opterons, one Xeons. Understandably enough, due to the vastly superior design the Opteron system was both cheaper and was on average 50% faster than the Xeon system. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From damien at mc-kenna.com Mon Apr 24 21:14:23 2006 From: damien at mc-kenna.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Hypertransport 3.0 ratified! :-) Message-ID: <444D77EF.2000808@mc-kenna.com> http://www.hypertransport.org/news/pr/HyperTransport_30_Press_Release.pdf and http://dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1943 for a slightly more easily digestible version. HyperTransport is the technology that AMD uses for their motherboard component interconnectivity and is leagues ahead of the competition - today's comparison between a 4-way Xeon and a 4-way Opteron (50% faster) just goes to prove how well it works. -- Damien McKenna, husband, father, geek. damien@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/ From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Tue Apr 25 16:42:20 2006 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Keeping BS happy - Oblivion on the PSP and PS3 Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1D91255@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> Just a little tidbit that should make BS happy, Oblivion is going to be ported to the Sony PSP and PS3 with a release planned for November: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=9035 -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From damien at mc-kenna.com Wed Apr 26 22:31:28 2006 From: damien at mc-kenna.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Guy selling Sun, SGI and Mac machines & parts Message-ID: <44502D00.5090604@mc-kenna.com> http://orlando.craigslist.org/sys/154976038.html Lots of tasty stuff. -- Damien McKenna, husband, father, geek. damien@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/ From damien at mc-kenna.com Wed Apr 26 23:40:24 2006 From: damien at mc-kenna.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] PC bits for sale Message-ID: <44503D28.5030008@mc-kenna.com> I posted a bunch of stuff on Craigslist we're looking to get rid of: Psion Revo, PDA with long battery life & sync ability with MS Office http://orlando.craigslist.org/sys/155011632.html Iomega Buz, hardware-driven PCI video capture http://orlando.craigslist.org/sys/155011340.html DLink DI524 B/G wireless+wired DSL/Cable router, free webcam http://orlando.craigslist.org/sys/155010760.html Compaq DLT4000 drive, needs a new leader http://orlando.craigslist.org/sys/155009662.html Canon Powershot S30 (faulty) with extra batteries http://orlando.craigslist.org/sys/155008766.html Antec SL400 400 Watt ATX PSU (power supply) http://orlando.craigslist.org/sys/155007039.html Thought some of the folks here might be interested. -- Damien McKenna, husband, father, geek. damien@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/ From b.j.smith at ieee.org Fri Apr 28 12:15:15 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Keeping BS happy - Oblivion on the PSP and PS3 Message-ID: <20060428161515.26028.qmail@web34105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> [ Ack, I might as well re-join! ] Damien McKenna wrote: > Just a little tidbit that should make BS happy, Oblivion > is going to be ported to the Sony PSP and PS3 with a release > planned for November: > http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=9035 Got Oblivious Collector's Edition for the XBox 360 (now my 2nd Windows system, next to the original XBox) the day it came out. I only got to veg about 15 hours 10 days later, but have been so busy since that I haven't had any time to play it. Normally Bethesda has been a MS-only (PC, Xbox, PocketPC phones) label -- including for their previous Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind. So I wonder if it's because of the vector processing units in the PS3 that is why they are porting? It would be cool to see what kind of improvements they do. Right now the 720p rendering is most excellent on my 26" LCD TV -- sans distance viewing (e.g., from a mountain top). So there is room for improvement. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ----------------------------------------------------------- Americans don't get upset because citizens in some foreign nations can burn the American flag -- Americans get upset because citizens in those same nations can't burn their own From b.j.smith at ieee.org Fri Apr 28 13:52:19 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Keeping BS happy - Oblivion on the PSP and PS3 -- PC version benchmarks ... In-Reply-To: <20060428161515.26028.qmail@web34105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060428175219.86458.qmail@web34102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "Bryan J. Smith" wrote: > Got Oblivious Collector's Edition for the XBox 360 ... > wonder if it's because of the vector processing units in the > PS3 that is why they are porting? It would be cool to see what > kind of improvements they do. > Right now the 720p rendering is most excellent on my 26" LCD TV -- > sans distance viewing (e.g., from a mountain top). So there is > room for improvement. BTW, here is AnandTech's benchmarks for the PC version: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2746&p=4 I'm kinda glad I got the XBox 360 version and am running it at 1280x720 (720p) on its integrated ATI video. My GeForce 7800GTX at my LCD's native 1280x1024. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ----------------------------------------------------------- Americans don't get upset because citizens in some foreign nations can burn the American flag -- Americans get upset because citizens in those same nations can't burn their own From justinkz at gmail.com Fri Apr 28 14:28:51 2006 From: justinkz at gmail.com (Justin M. Keyes) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Keeping BS happy - Oblivion on the PSP and PS3 In-Reply-To: <20060428161515.26028.qmail@web34105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060428161515.26028.qmail@web34105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53b562310604281128k3c9bcf3cn7d05dbebda9b7505@mail.gmail.com> On 4/28/06, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > [ Ack, I might as well re-join! ] Welcome back! -- Justin M. Keyes From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sat Apr 29 10:57:50 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Microsoft is no longer a growth investment ... Message-ID: <1146322670.2996.4.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> I've been predicting this for years, but now that Microsoft is opening up the "software services" to combat Google, it looks like it's going to happen over the next 5 years ... http://thebs413.blogspot.com/2006/04/microsoft-is-no-longer-growth.html -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ----------------------------------------------------------- Americans don't get upset because citizens in some foreign nations can burn the American flag -- Americans get upset because citizens in those same nations can't burn their own From wam at HiWAAY.net Sat Apr 29 11:19:21 2006 From: wam at HiWAAY.net (William A. Mahaffey III) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Microsoft is no longer a growth investment ... In-Reply-To: <1146322670.2996.4.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <1146322670.2996.4.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <445383F9.2080902@HiWAAY.net> Bryan J. Smith wrote: > I've been predicting this for years, but now that Microsoft is opening > up the "software services" to combat Google, it looks like it's going to > happen over the next 5 years ... > > http://thebs413.blogspot.com/2006/04/microsoft-is-no-longer-growth.html Growth, hell, it's been dead $$$$ since 2002 (along w/ INTC :-( ) .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton From jasonb at edseek.com Sun Apr 30 01:32:24 2006 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] I give up, how do you image Windows 2K? Message-ID: <200604300132.24776.jasonb@edseek.com> After another productive weekend of reinstalling Windows on my gaming system, I have to ask how do you effectively ghost, clone, or image a Windows 2000 system such that you need not reinstall it again? I just can't sit through another Windows reinstall. I'll lose it. Thanks. (I wasted so much time I'd even buy something at this point. Whatever.) -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff From Rick at HuntsvilleComputer.com Sun Apr 30 02:07:55 2006 From: Rick at HuntsvilleComputer.com (Rick Nickel) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] I give up, how do you image Windows 2K? In-Reply-To: <200604300132.24776.jasonb@edseek.com> Message-ID: <000201c66c1c$6ca1b960$6403a8c0@viper> Jason, I use the DOS version of Ghost to clone NTFS drives. You can find it in the Support directory on the 2003 version. Make a boot floppy or CD and put Ghost.exe on it - Run Ghost after booting. Make sure you clone in the correct direction! If you swap the source and destination you won't be happy with the result. There are many other clone and image products besides Ghost... it is just the one that I prefer to use since it works well with RAID. Rick Nickel Huntsville Computer Services www.HuntsvilleComputer.com (256) 683-3003 -----Original Message----- From: pc_support-bounces@matrixlist.com [mailto:pc_support-bounces@matrixlist.com] On Behalf Of Jason Boxman Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 12:32 AM To: pc_support@matrixlist.com Subject: [Pc_Support] I give up, how do you image Windows 2K? After another productive weekend of reinstalling Windows on my gaming system, I have to ask how do you effectively ghost, clone, or image a Windows 2000 system such that you need not reinstall it again? I just can't sit through another Windows reinstall. I'll lose it. Thanks. (I wasted so much time I'd even buy something at this point. Whatever.) -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff _______________________________________________ Pc_support mailing list Pc_support@matrixlist.com http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support From damien at mc-kenna.com Sun Apr 30 14:07:17 2006 From: damien at mc-kenna.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] I give up, how do you image Windows 2K? In-Reply-To: <200604300132.24776.jasonb@edseek.com> References: <200604300132.24776.jasonb@edseek.com> Message-ID: <4454FCD5.5030404@mc-kenna.com> Jason Boxman wrote: > how do you effectively ghost, clone, or image a Windows 2000 > system such that you need not reinstall it again? > Acronis True Image. -- Damien McKenna, husband, father, geek. damien@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/ From lists at brianrose.net Sun Apr 30 16:25:21 2006 From: lists at brianrose.net (Brian Rose) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] I give up, how do you image Windows 2K? In-Reply-To: <200604300132.24776.jasonb@edseek.com> References: <200604300132.24776.jasonb@edseek.com> Message-ID: <44551D31.4000000@brianrose.net> Jason Boxman wrote: > After another productive weekend of reinstalling Windows on my gaming system, > I have to ask how do you effectively ghost, clone, or image a Windows 2000 > system such that you need not reinstall it again? > > I just can't sit through another Windows reinstall. I'll lose it. > > Thanks. > > (I wasted so much time I'd even buy something at this point. Whatever.) > For what you are doing, g4u may work (Ghost for Unix). It does not do any resizing, but it should let you simply backup your partition. Note: I have not used this! Software may be crap. From hubbardjw at charter.net Sun Apr 30 17:54:13 2006 From: hubbardjw at charter.net (Jerry Hubbard) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:46 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] I give up, how do you image Windows 2K? In-Reply-To: <200604300132.24776.jasonb@edseek.com> References: <200604300132.24776.jasonb@edseek.com> Message-ID: <44553205.4010005@charter.net> Jason Boxman wrote: >After another productive weekend of reinstalling Windows on my gaming system, >I have to ask how do you effectively ghost, clone, or image a Windows 2000 >system such that you need not reinstall it again? > >I just can't sit through another Windows reinstall. I'll lose it. > >Thanks. > >(I wasted so much time I'd even buy something at this point. Whatever.) > > > One member of the CWELUG in St. Louis has used the Linux/Unix dd command. -- Jerry Hubbard hubbardjw@charter.net