From b.j.smith at ieee.org Tue Nov 1 13:33:50 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] ADS Replication Issues (Events 1311, 1566) -- WAS: [Off-list] Winternals Message-ID: <20051101183350.8443.qmail@web34104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Someone from the Illinois LUG lists I've been having an off-list thread with. He's joined the list and I'm reposting my most recent response. FYI, the thread started with an inquiry of the Winternals tools -- I'm sure he was talking about the Insight for AD and other goodies. I've never used them, so if you have, please sound off. --- "Bryan J. Smith" wrote: > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:10:59 -0800 (PST) > From: "Bryan J. Smith" > Subject: Re: [Off-list] Re: Winternals > To: Joe Tosetti > > Joe Tosetti wrote: > > I've joined. It's the first Windows list I've ever been > > on. > > I'm on several Windows lists, but all but the one we > created at LEAP seem to be "people networking" lists. > > On the Orlando NT Professionals Association (ONTPA) list, I > remember getting chastized for posting twice in the same > day. And whenever I talked about some great new Freedomware > (Open Source) for Windows, I got a dozen nasty e-mails from > people who think I was trying to sell them software. They > thought it was a trial or, worse yet, some spyware-infested > freeware/shareware. I'd expect that out of some "general > computer club," but not out of a MCSE dominated professional > association. > > > We only have one domain spanning three sites. > > That shouldn't be an issue then. > > > At the risk of getting you started (lol), what is > > "proper" replication. > > I have a general rule -- quadruple the replication time for > every order of magnitude slower your network is. E.g., > > 1000Base -- replicate every 15 minutes (default) > 100Base -- replicate every 1 hour > 10Base -- replicate every 4 hours > T-1 (1.5Mbps) -- replicate every 24 hours (3am) > > For 768+Kbps SDSL, treat as T-1. For ASDL (384Kbps or > lower), manually replicate. > > If you use an out-of-band (OoB) connection dedicated > between DCs, then 100Base can replicate every 15 minutes > without issue IMHO. > > After setting up the Sites in the Sites MMC, I use > "repadmin" to handle quickly playing with and changing > these defaults. > > It's very possible that KCC is running every 15 minutes, > not enough time for you to get full replication between > DCs. > > > I currently let KCC generate the A.D. connections over > > the site links. > > The KCC defaults are a poor set for intersite links IMHO. > KCC defaults are great for 100+Mbps links, but suck on > anything slower IMHO. > > There's a good document on troubleshooting ADS replication > at TechNet here: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windowsserver2003/library/Operations/4f504103-1a16-41e1-853a-c68b77bf3f7e.mspx > > > Every seven days we are required to reboot all of the > > domain controllers and any windows servers that provide > > services based off of windows authentication. > > Approximately every 15 minutes event id's 1311 > > Yep, that error typically signifies that KCC is assuming > you have 100Mbps links between sites, but they are far, > far slower. > > > and 1566 > > Interesting, never seen that one before. A quick TechNet > search turned up this very recent article for Windows 2000 > -- something that has yet to be addressed in a service pack: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;268109 > > I would address the 1311 topology/timing issue first, which > might clear up that 1566 with it. > > BTW, don't forget about Microsoft Operations Manager (MOM): > > http://www.microsoft.com/mom/ > > The free 120-day trial here can't hurt: > http://www.microsoft.com/mom/evaluation/trial/ > > I really need to get more experience with it myself > (especially since Microsoft has a new certification for > it). > > Probably most relevant is the Active Directory Management > Pack (ADMP) for Microsoft Operations Manager (MOM). A good > introduction on ADMP is here: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/mom/mom2005/maintain/dirmgmtpackmom.mspx > > > > show up in the directory services log of all of the > > D.C.'s. As far as I can tell there are no warning signs > > in the logs. A.D. printers fail about an hour before > > anything shows up in the diretory services log. > > Yep, sounds like an inconsistency due to a replication not > completing. IIRC, printer shares are the last to be > replicated. And ADS is an Access-Jet store, so that's > going leave it inconsistent regularly -- regardless of what > the KCC tries to do about it. > > > I know there is a clue here since it happens every 7 > > days, but I can't seem to find it. > > 7 * 24 * 4 = almost 700 times a week that KCC runs. > Depending on the throughput of your links (clearly > something that is causing the 1311 error), you'll want to > reduce that to well under 100 -- probably every 4-6 hours > at least. > > > What type of network equipment do you prefer. > > Brand is unimportant. Heck, even NetGear now sells a > sub-$500 layer-3 (RIPv2) switch with 4xGbE + 24x100M, > extensive SNMP/RMON, etc... > > > I've always used Cisco since it was in place here when I > > arrived. > > You're talking to a CCDP (6-exam "Design Professional") so > I have _no_problem_ with Cisco. @-ppp > > I'd really need to know more about your topology. Cisco > should be fine for it. I was just saying that I always > ensure I have a full "bird's eye view" of the physical > network topology/latency/bandwidth before I modify the > sites from the wizard, as well as to repadmin. > > > I've looked at Extreme Networks and they look OK at first > > glance, but I have no experience with them. > > I think they use Linux-based layer-3/4 modules (don't quote > me, could be VxWorks or even some other embedded OS) to > complement their layer-2 fabric, but I also have no > experience with them. -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From tec at homemail.bjt.net Wed Nov 2 02:23:53 2005 From: tec at homemail.bjt.net (Thomas Carlson) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Palm Tungsten E2 and Linux question? In-Reply-To: <436403F6.8020206@charter.net> References: <436403F6.8020206@charter.net> Message-ID: <1130916233.2676.0.camel@xpc.tecsplace> Jerry, Last time I set this up, the symbolic /dev/pilot link needed to have permissions to be more open. Good luck with it. :) Cheers, Thomas On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 18:21 -0500, Jerry W. Hubbard wrote: > If you have setup a Palm, I'm looking at the Tungsten E2, to sync with > Linux (Fedora 3/4 or CentOS) please relate any problems or success. I > would also like to sync with Outlook at work, if that is possible. > > Any help is welcome. Google gave me some hope. :-) > But, you guys may have a better suggestion than the Palm or some good > pointers for the Palm. > A Zaurus was my first choice, but it is out of my price range. :-( > From pctech at htc.net Tue Nov 1 21:12:33 2005 From: pctech at htc.net (JohnH) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] MS Outlook Express Links Don't Work Message-ID: <002701c5df52$ebbb2530$6401a8c0@3a5ah6vqcd> I am having troubles clicking on links within email's. I am using MS OE and not even one link works. Not even the ones within the emails from this list. I take that back, the only links that do work are the ones to a "mailto:" link. JohnH pctech@htc.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.matrixlist.com/pipermail/pc_support/attachments/20051101/ea47ceb7/attachment.html From b.j.smith at ieee.org Wed Nov 2 09:43:04 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Palm Tungsten E2 and Linux question? In-Reply-To: <1130916233.2676.0.camel@xpc.tecsplace> Message-ID: <20051102144305.39444.qmail@web34114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> jerry W. Hubbard wrote: > If you have setup a Palm, I'm looking at the Tungsten E2, > to sync with Linux (Fedora 3/4 or CentOS) please relate > any problems or success. I would also like to sync with > Outlook at work, if that is possible. Thomas Carlson wrote: > Jerry, > Last time I set this up, the symbolic /dev/pilot link > needed to have permissions to be more open. > Good luck with it. :) If it's USB-based, the big kicker in FC3+/RHEL4+ (including CentOS 4+) is udev. You have to add a script to add the proper device, and also ensure the console.perms are set with r/w for the device for the user logged in. Google Handspring USB and udev and you'll probably find the script you need. Those instructions work for the Tungsten, Treo, etc... Otherwise, I'll send you my setup when I get home tonight. As far as syncing with more than 1 system, Linux doesn't have a problem with that. I do it with my Treo 600 to both my notebook and my home system. But I've noted some of the Mac and Windows Palm software might not like having more than one partner. -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From hubbardjw at charter.net Wed Nov 2 22:39:08 2005 From: hubbardjw at charter.net (Jerry W. Hubbard) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Palm Tungsten E2 and Linux question? In-Reply-To: <20051102144305.39444.qmail@web34114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051102144305.39444.qmail@web34114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4369865C.3040407@charter.net> Bryan J. Smith wrote: > > If it's USB-based, the big kicker in FC3+/RHEL4+ (including > CentOS 4+) is udev. You have to add a script to add the > proper device, and also ensure the console.perms are set with > r/w for the device for the user logged in. > > Google Handspring USB and udev and you'll probably find the > script you need. Those instructions work for the Tungsten, > Treo, etc... Otherwise, I'll send you my setup when I get > home tonight. > > As far as syncing with more than 1 system, Linux doesn't have > a problem with that. I do it with my Treo 600 to both my > notebook and my home system. But I've noted some of the Mac > and Windows Palm software might not like having more than one > partner. > It will be this weekend before I may have the time. Any help is welcome. Thanks -- Jerry Hubbard hubbardjw@charter.net From whittake at sbaflorida.com Thu Nov 3 13:28:51 2005 From: whittake at sbaflorida.com (Homer Whittaker) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Pc_Support Internet (LAN) In-Reply-To: <20050927233932.32290.qmail@web34101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050927233932.32290.qmail@web34101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1131042531.10489.18.camel@sbaflorida> My home is serviced by Road Runner cable. The cable runs on the electric poles some 120 feet from the cable modem located in my office. The signal then goes to an IPCop 10 feet away, to a hub with 4 computers attached. My wife's machine is attached to the hub with 60 foot of regular telephone wire, not Cat 5. She has Mandrake on her machine. I have a 10/100 ethernet card (actually two of them) that is/was not too swift but one of the two usually worked. As of several days ago her internet connection refuses to come up, using Mozilla and the KDE browser. The hub connection does not show up from her machine, so in essence it is not connected. I hesitate using WiFi because her machine is fairly close to the road and might be hit by any old snoop going by. One question is,would another 10/100/1000 eth card help? Would another hub work? Or what? Homer Whittaker From tim at mcdonough.net Thu Nov 3 14:17:00 2005 From: tim at mcdonough.net (Tim McDonough) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Pc_Support Internet (LAN) In-Reply-To: <1131042531.10489.18.camel@sbaflorida> References: <20050927233932.32290.qmail@web34101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1131042531.10489.18.camel@sbaflorida> Message-ID: <436A622C.10705@mcdonough.net> Homer Whittaker wrote: > I hesitate using WiFi because her machine is fairly close to the road > and might be hit by any old snoop going by. One question is,would > another 10/100/1000 eth card help? Would another hub work? Or what? > Homer Whittaker Can you verify the port on the hub you're using functions with another machine? Can you move her machine near the hub temporarily and connect it with a known good cable to see if the NIC in her machine is functioning? I would install a proper CAT5 cable no matter what. Sounds like you're just inviting problems. Tim From whittake at sbaflorida.com Thu Nov 3 14:59:21 2005 From: whittake at sbaflorida.com (Homer Whittaker) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Pc_Support Internet (LAN) In-Reply-To: <436A622C.10705@mcdonough.net> References: <20050927233932.32290.qmail@web34101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1131042531.10489.18.camel@sbaflorida> <436A622C.10705@mcdonough.net> Message-ID: <200511031459.21936.whittake@sbaflorida.com> On Thursday 03 November 2005 14:17, Tim McDonough wrote: > Homer Whittaker wrote: > > I hesitate using WiFi because her machine is fairly close to > > the road and might be hit by any old snoop going by. One > > question is,would another 10/100/1000 eth card help? Would > > another hub work? Or what? Homer Whittaker > > Can you verify the port on the hub you're using functions with > another machine? Yes, I have switched it between several other "working" ports and have recycled the smart hub. Nada. > > Can you move her machine near the hub temporarily and connect > it with a known good cable to see if the NIC in her machine is > functioning? Not really. It is her office and I it took me two years to get her to use the machine. Now I cannot get her off it. > > I would install a proper CAT5 cable no matter what. Sounds > like you're just inviting problems. Well 100 ft (min) roll of Cat 5 is significant in view of the fact that we have our house up for sale and we will be moving into a much smaller home. > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > Pc_support mailing list > Pc_support@matrixlist.com > http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Nov 3 15:45:45 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Hughes $250 HD DirecTiVO now only $479 ... Message-ID: <20051103204545.10532.qmail@web34114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No rebates, no activation, etc... required like in the stores. Great for those of us who already have the TiVO service! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16882150003 These were just $999 and, more recently, $699 not long ago. I'm kinda curious if it has something to do with TiVO's 2007+ split with TiVO? I mean, given that there is a good chance it'll probably only be good for another 18-24 months, could I save yet another $100-200 by waiting just 2-3 months more? Or is it even worth it at this point? -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From b.j.smith at ieee.org Fri Nov 4 12:03:24 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] AOpen F90GS 19" LCD on sale yet again ($289 - $70 rebate) ... Message-ID: <20051104170324.67850.qmail@web34105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I actually own this model: http://lists.leap-cf.org/pipermail/pc_support/2005-August/000824.html It's now $20 cheaper after rebate: http://dealnews.com/deals/AOpen-F90-GS-19-LCD-display-for-220-after-rebate/99562.html I'm actually using this monitor at work thanx to the 2 inputs. I'm sure I'm letting the refresh go to waste (no gaming at work). I have the 2 Sceptres (one older, 25ms x9g Komodo II* and the newer, 8ms x9g Naga III) at home. http://lists.leap-cf.org/pipermail/pc_support/2005-October/001145.html -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From b.j.smith at ieee.org Fri Nov 4 18:26:18 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Acer S754 Mobile Sempron 3000+, integrated wireless, $499 ... Message-ID: <20051104232618.49329.qmail@web34105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Slight better deal than the Dell Celeron M notebooks for what you get, and only $29 to ship (instead of $49 for Dell 1200s): http://dealnews.com/deals/Acer-Aspire-AS3003-LCi-1-8-GHz-15-Laptop-for-500-after-rebate/99581.html -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From b.j.smith at ieee.org Fri Nov 4 18:35:57 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Maxtor 100GB Serial ATA (SATA) drive $99.99 - $65.00 rebate Message-ID: <20051104233557.79287.qmail@web34101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For those looking for a cheap SATA drive and you don't mind waiting on rebates, this 7200rpm, 8MB buffer, 100GB Maxtor is nice for $34.99 net: http://dealnews.com/deals/Maxtor-100-GB-Serial-ATA-Hard-Drive-for-35-after-rebate/99515.html -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From jasonb at edseek.com Fri Nov 4 18:37:02 2005 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Acer S754 Mobile Sempron 3000+, integrated wireless, $499 ... In-Reply-To: <20051104232618.49329.qmail@web34105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051104232618.49329.qmail@web34105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200511041837.03012.jasonb@edseek.com> On Friday 04 November 2005 18:26, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > Slight better deal than the Dell Celeron M notebooks for what > you get, and only $29 to ship (instead of $49 for Dell > 1200s): > http://dealnews.com/deals/Acer-Aspire-AS3003-LCi-1-8-GHz-15-Laptop-for-500- >after-rebate/99581.html How's battery life these days? Are mobile AMD chips competitive with Intel's mobile chips? I rarely buy laptops, so I haven't kept up. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff From b.j.smith at ieee.org Fri Nov 4 20:16:25 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Acer S754 Mobile Sempron 3000+, integrated wireless, $499 ... In-Reply-To: <200511041837.03012.jasonb@edseek.com> Message-ID: <20051105011626.82669.qmail@web34102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jason Boxman wrote: > How's battery life these days? Are mobile AMD chips > competitive with Intel's mobile chips? Depends on the product used. I don't know what series/revision is used in those notebooks, but since it's a S754, it is probably a 31W variant. That's much lower than the original mobile Athlon XPs. Intel's Pentium M are 21W, while their Pentium 4 Mobiles are in excess of 60+W. Celeron Ms are not exactly as good as their Pentium M brothers, on-purpose by Intel. > I rarely buy laptops, so I haven't kept up. I can't tell from the product specs. I'll have to do some more research. But they seemed to be a heck of a lot better than the Celeron Ms for the price -- feature-wise. -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net Fri Nov 4 21:22:33 2005 From: ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net (Austin Denyer (Ozz)) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] It's here! Message-ID: <20051104212233.79ca2979.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> Hi Guys. The nice FedEx man delivered my new workstation today. Tyan K8WE MoBo, Dual-Opteron246 CPU, 2GB RAM, 2x200GB SATAII HDD, EVGA GeForce 6600GT, Thermaltake XaserIII V1000A case. It ROCKS!!!!! Several people complained that "A machine with that many fans in it is gonna sound like a jet when you power it up", only to be awestruck when told that it was already running. I used a modified version of the Debian AMD64 netinstall CD, as the standard one used the 2.6.8-2 kernel, which has limited hardware detection. This had the 2.6.12 kernel (thanks to Len Sorensen over on the Debian-AMD64 list), and installed fine with the exception of the network drivers - it only found/loaded drivers for the firewire networking, which I don't use. By continuing with the install and rebooting, the forcedeth drivers loaded fine. A quick hack of the network config files and I was up and running. I then just upgraded to the 2.6.14-2-amd64-k8-smp kernel and I was good to go. (There is a bug in the Opteron CPU that causes issues when running in SMP mode, and the work-around was only just included in that kernel.) Two gotchas. 1. When I installed X/KDE it swapped my NICs around (?!?!?). 2. I haven't managed to get the nVidia video drivers working yet. The official nVidia drivers will not load on X startup (although they did appear to compile OK, and modprobe doesn't barf on them), and the nv driver causes display corruption after a few mins. I'm running the vesa driver right now without issue. As far as (2) goes, I've heard that the nVidia drivers don't yet work with kernels > 2.6.12, but I need the 2.6.14-2 kernel for SMP. Can anyone confirm/deny/provide pointers for a workaround? Anyhoo, the thing FLIES! OpenOffice2 (run from a 32-bit chroot) loads in 3 secs. The Gimp loads in under 1 sec. I've only carved up one disk so far - I'm considering going to RAID-1 at some stage. I've tacked a few stats at the end to get the juices going... Many, MANY thanks to all who provided input and convinced me to buy this kit. Regards, Ozz. dev05:/home/adenyer# uname -a Linux dev05 2.6.14-1-amd64-k8-smp #1 SMP Wed Nov 2 20:53:55 CET 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux dev05:/home/adenyer# cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 15 model : 5 model name : AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 246 stepping : 10 cpu MHz : 2009.303 cache size : 1024 KB fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext lm 3dnowext 3dnow bogomips : 4021.17 TLB size : 1024 4K pages clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: ts fid vid ttp processor : 1 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 15 model : 5 model name : AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 246 stepping : 10 cpu MHz : 2009.303 cache size : 1024 KB fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext lm 3dnowext 3dnow bogomips : 4017.97 TLB size : 1024 4K pages clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: ts fid vid ttp dev05:/home/adenyer# df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda7 7.4G 348M 6.7G 5% / /dev/sda1 45M 15M 27M 36% /boot /dev/sda14 103G 5.6G 92G 6% /home /dev/sda12 7.4G 33M 7.0G 1% /tmp /dev/sda8 15G 1.4G 13G 10% /usr /dev/sda9 7.4G 530M 6.5G 8% /var /dev/sda10 15G 33M 14G 1% /var/www /dev/sda13 15G 701M 14G 5% /chroot/32bit /home 103G 5.6G 92G 6% /chroot/32bit/home /tmp 7.4G 33M 7.0G 1% /chroot/32bit/tmp tmpfs 1006M 0 1006M 0% /dev/shm fdisk /dev/sda Disk /dev/sda: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 1 6 48163+ 83 Linux /dev/sda2 7 12 48195 83 Linux /dev/sda3 13 24321 195262042+ 5 Extended /dev/sda5 13 498 3903763+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sda6 499 984 3903763+ 83 Linux /dev/sda7 985 1957 7815591 83 Linux /dev/sda8 1958 3902 15623181 83 Linux /dev/sda9 3903 4875 7815591 83 Linux /dev/sda10 4876 6820 15623181 83 Linux /dev/sda11 6821 7793 7815591 83 Linux /dev/sda12 7794 8766 7815591 83 Linux /dev/sda13 8767 10711 15623181 83 Linux /dev/sda14 10712 24321 109322293+ 83 Linux fdisk /dev/hdb Disk /dev/sdb: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System top - 16:49:15 up 56 min, 2 users, load average: 0.82, 0.70, 0.49 Tasks: 97 total, 2 running, 95 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 13.5% us, 6.7% sy, 0.0% ni, 69.1% id, 7.8% wa, 1.2% hi, 1.7% si Mem: 2059056k total, 2047008k used, 12048k free, 4096k buffers Swap: 3903752k total, 0k used, 3903752k free, 1786264k cached From m9u35g at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 23:06:25 2005 From: m9u35g at gmail.com (Justin M. Keyes) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Acer S754 Mobile Sempron 3000+, integrated wireless, $499 ... In-Reply-To: <20051104232618.49329.qmail@web34105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051104232618.49329.qmail@web34105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46f680d0511042006h56f63a51k8eeca14ca234708f@mail.gmail.com> On 11/4/05, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > Slight better deal than the Dell Celeron M notebooks for what > you get, and only $29 to ship (instead of $49 for Dell > 1200s): > http://dealnews.com/deals/Acer-Aspire-AS3003-LCi-1-8-GHz-15-Laptop-for-500-after-rebate/99581.html Nice! I have been flirting with the idea of a budget laptop... -- Justin Keyes From philb at philb.us Sat Nov 5 01:56:35 2005 From: philb at philb.us (Phil Barnett) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] It's here! In-Reply-To: <20051104212233.79ca2979.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> References: <20051104212233.79ca2979.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> Message-ID: <200511050156.35890.philb@philb.us> On Friday 04 November 2005 09:22 pm, Austin Denyer wrote: > As far as (2) goes, I've heard that the nVidia drivers don't yet work > with kernels > 2.6.12, but I need the 2.6.14-2 kernel for SMP. > Can anyone confirm/deny/provide pointers for a workaround? nvidia drivers working here... (compiled) $ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.13-1.1532_FC4 #1 Thu Oct 20 01:30:08 EDT 2005 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux -- "In communism, man exploits man. In capitalism, it's the other way around." From philb at philb.us Sat Nov 5 02:01:14 2005 From: philb at philb.us (Phil Barnett) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] video card question Message-ID: <200511050201.14832.philb@philb.us> How does the nvidia FX-5600 compare to the GF3 TI-500? Woot's got them for $30. No digital out. -- "In communism, man exploits man. In capitalism, it's the other way around." From whittake at sbaflorida.com Sat Nov 5 10:57:04 2005 From: whittake at sbaflorida.com (Homer Whittaker) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] It's here! In-Reply-To: <20051104212233.79ca2979.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> References: <20051104212233.79ca2979.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> Message-ID: <200511051057.04642.whittake@sbaflorida.com> Made me drool! If you don't mind tellin, how much did that dude set you back? Homer On Friday 04 November 2005 21:22, Austin Denyer wrote: > Hi Guys. > > The nice FedEx man delivered my new workstation today. > > Tyan K8WE MoBo, Dual-Opteron246 CPU, 2GB RAM, 2x200GB SATAII > HDD, EVGA GeForce 6600GT, Thermaltake XaserIII V1000A case. > > It ROCKS!!!!! > > Several people complained that "A machine with that many fans > in it is gonna sound like a jet when you power it up", only to > be awestruck when told that it was already running. > > I used a modified version of the Debian AMD64 netinstall CD, > as the standard one used the 2.6.8-2 kernel, which has limited > hardware detection. This had the 2.6.12 kernel (thanks to Len > Sorensen over on the Debian-AMD64 list), and installed fine > with the exception of the network drivers - it only > found/loaded drivers for the firewire networking, which I > don't use. By continuing with the install and rebooting, the > forcedeth drivers loaded fine. A quick hack of the network > config files and I was up and running. I then just upgraded to > the 2.6.14-2-amd64-k8-smp kernel and I was good to go. (There > is a bug in the Opteron CPU that causes issues when running in > SMP mode, and the work-around was only just included in that > kernel.) > > Two gotchas. > 1. When I installed X/KDE it swapped my NICs around (?!?!?). > 2. I haven't managed to get the nVidia video drivers working > yet. The official nVidia drivers will not load on X startup > (although they did appear to compile OK, and modprobe doesn't > barf on them), and the nv driver causes display corruption > after a few mins. I'm running the vesa driver right now > without issue. > > As far as (2) goes, I've heard that the nVidia drivers don't > yet work with kernels > 2.6.12, but I need the 2.6.14-2 kernel > for SMP. Can anyone confirm/deny/provide pointers for a > workaround? > > Anyhoo, the thing FLIES! > > OpenOffice2 (run from a 32-bit chroot) loads in 3 secs. > The Gimp loads in under 1 sec. > > I've only carved up one disk so far - I'm considering going to > RAID-1 at some stage. > > I've tacked a few stats at the end to get the juices going... > > Many, MANY thanks to all who provided input and convinced me > to buy this kit. > > Regards, > Ozz. > > dev05:/home/adenyer# uname -a > Linux dev05 2.6.14-1-amd64-k8-smp #1 SMP Wed Nov 2 20:53:55 > CET 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux > > > dev05:/home/adenyer# cat /proc/cpuinfo > processor : 0 > vendor_id : AuthenticAMD > cpu family : 15 > model : 5 > model name : AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 246 > stepping : 10 > cpu MHz : 2009.303 > cache size : 1024 KB > fpu : yes > fpu_exception : yes > cpuid level : 1 > wp : yes > flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep > mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall > nx mmxext lm 3dnowext 3dnow > bogomips : 4021.17 > TLB size : 1024 4K pages > clflush size : 64 > cache_alignment : 64 > address sizes : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual > power management: ts fid vid ttp > > processor : 1 > vendor_id : AuthenticAMD > cpu family : 15 > model : 5 > model name : AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 246 > stepping : 10 > cpu MHz : 2009.303 > cache size : 1024 KB > fpu : yes > fpu_exception : yes > cpuid level : 1 > wp : yes > flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep > mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall > nx mmxext lm 3dnowext 3dnow > bogomips : 4017.97 > TLB size : 1024 4K pages > clflush size : 64 > cache_alignment : 64 > address sizes : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual > power management: ts fid vid ttp > > > dev05:/home/adenyer# df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/sda7 7.4G 348M 6.7G 5% / > /dev/sda1 45M 15M 27M 36% /boot > /dev/sda14 103G 5.6G 92G 6% /home > /dev/sda12 7.4G 33M 7.0G 1% /tmp > /dev/sda8 15G 1.4G 13G 10% /usr > /dev/sda9 7.4G 530M 6.5G 8% /var > /dev/sda10 15G 33M 14G 1% /var/www > /dev/sda13 15G 701M 14G 5% /chroot/32bit > /home 103G 5.6G 92G 6% /chroot/32bit/home > /tmp 7.4G 33M 7.0G 1% /chroot/32bit/tmp > tmpfs 1006M 0 1006M 0% /dev/shm > > > fdisk /dev/sda > > Disk /dev/sda: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sda1 1 6 48163+ 83 Linux > /dev/sda2 7 12 48195 83 Linux > /dev/sda3 13 24321 195262042+ 5 > Extended /dev/sda5 13 498 3903763+ > 82 Linux swap / Solaris > /dev/sda6 499 984 3903763+ 83 Linux > /dev/sda7 985 1957 7815591 83 Linux > /dev/sda8 1958 3902 15623181 83 Linux > /dev/sda9 3903 4875 7815591 83 Linux > /dev/sda10 4876 6820 15623181 83 Linux > /dev/sda11 6821 7793 7815591 83 Linux > /dev/sda12 7794 8766 7815591 83 Linux > /dev/sda13 8767 10711 15623181 83 Linux > /dev/sda14 10712 24321 109322293+ 83 Linux > > > fdisk /dev/hdb > > Disk /dev/sdb: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > > > > top - 16:49:15 up 56 min, 2 users, load average: 0.82, 0.70, > 0.49 Tasks: 97 total, 2 running, 95 sleeping, 0 stopped, > 0 zombie Cpu(s): 13.5% us, 6.7% sy, 0.0% ni, 69.1% id, > 7.8% wa, 1.2% hi, 1.7% si > Mem: 2059056k total, 2047008k used, 12048k free, > 4096k buffers Swap: 3903752k total, 0k used, 3903752k > free, 1786264k cached > > _______________________________________________ > Pc_support mailing list > Pc_support@matrixlist.com > http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support From whittake at sbaflorida.com Sat Nov 5 11:18:56 2005 From: whittake at sbaflorida.com (Homer Whittaker) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] It's here! In-Reply-To: <20051104212233.79ca2979.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> References: <20051104212233.79ca2979.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> Message-ID: <200511051118.57147.whittake@sbaflorida.com> Contains the netboot debian-installer using a USB memory stick. This wonderfull but I do not know how to use it. The machine I want to put it on is an AMD64 Asus K8 with a portion of Gentoo on the /dev/hda (not yet fully installed) and of course I left enough room on /dev/hda1 to include both the Gentoo and the Debian AMD64 kernels in the /boot partition. However, as I said the Gentoo is only partially installed and at this point, may never get installed (too many frustrations). My second hard drive is a WD 120 Gig with nothing on it, and since the Gentoo is seeing the internet I figured I might use it to get the 64 bit machine into action and then at some time off in the future get back to the Gentoo install. I need assistance in the following areas: 1. Which files do I need from the http://amd64.debian.net/debian-installer/daily/netboot/ which contains the netboot debian-installer using a USB memory stick. 2. How do I get the above files loaded into the 64 bit machine? As I said, the Gentoo is partially loaded and I can see the net via RoadRunner cable but have not been able to locate the usb connection to download the memory stick. Thanks for any assistance. Homer Whittaker From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sat Nov 5 11:28:37 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] video card question In-Reply-To: <200511050201.14832.philb@philb.us> References: <200511050201.14832.philb@philb.us> Message-ID: <1131208117.5217.14.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 02:01 -0500, Phil Barnett wrote: > How does the nvidia FX-5600 compare to the GF3 TI-500? All depends on the clock and the RAM timing/sync. Most newer 5600/5700 models are heavily underclocked from their original versions to get better yields, as they are more commodity. For the most part, the NV3x (FX) series stinks compared to the NV2x (3/4Ti) in raw frames. The FX offers newer capabilities, especially when it comes to anti-aliasing and other performance. Unfortunately, unless you get a FX 5800+, the performance has been severely lackluster to sustain frame-rates with those features turned on -- with the 5200/5500 absolutely horrendous, the 5600/5700 not much better (especially not the newer, "commodity" versions that are underclocked as much as 40+% from the originals), and only the 5800+ being of any worth. And even then, a $50 GeForce 6200 might be better. You can assume a GeForce3 Ti500 will perform about 20-25% slower than a GeForce4 Ti4200, a GeForce3 Ti200 about 30-40% slower. A good comparison of lower-end cards is here with Unreal Tournament 2004 at 1024x768. If you have high-quality, but AA off, the NV25/28 (GeForce4 Ti) is a good 50-100% faster than a NV30/31/34 (GeForce 5200-5600): http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041004/vga_charts-05.html Once you turn on anti-aliasing, then the 5600 starts doing much better, while the 5200/5500 right down with the GeForce4 Ti. FYI, those benchmarks are of the _original_ GeForce 5600/5700, not the "watered down" LE/SE/whatever versions you often find on the shelf -- which are 40% _slower_. Now here's the full GeForceFX 5700 (about 60% faster than the "5700LE" you'll find on the shelf) those same cards against newer cards: http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050705/vga-charts-pcie-03.html The GeForce 6200, which is $50+, is definitely going to beat the GeForceFX 5700 regularly, or at least match it (even though it's not on the chart). The GeForce 6600 sub-$100 (non-DDR "GT" version), is definitely right there with the GeForce FX5800. And the GeForce 6600GT is going to beat _any_ GeForce FX series, even the 5950 Ultra, which still costs more money. > Woot's got them for $30. No digital out. Always remember that AGP is not always compatible, voltage-wise. So if you have an older AGP 2.0 or, especially, 1.0 mainboard, don't expect many AGP x8 cards to work. Many AGP x8 cards these days only do 0.8V, which AGP 2.0 (x4) mainboards won't support. Pretty much all FX and newer are AGP x8 only, and it's hard to guarantee they will support the older 1.5V. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The best things in life are NOT free - which is why life is easiest if you save all the bills until you can share them with the perfect woman From ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net Sat Nov 5 11:37:05 2005 From: ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net (Austin Denyer (Ozz)) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] It's here! In-Reply-To: <200511051057.04642.whittake@sbaflorida.com> References: <20051104212233.79ca2979.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> <200511051057.04642.whittake@sbaflorida.com> Message-ID: <20051105113705.24be93c2.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:57:04 -0500, Homer Whittaker wrote: > > Made me drool! If you don't mind tellin, how much did that dude > set you back? > Homer All told it was a little under $2,100 including delivery. It included a DVD-burner, 550W power supply and speakers, but no mouse/keyboard/screen as I already had those. The case is beautiful. Here's a link to it... http://www.thermaltake.com/xaserCase/xaser3/v1000a.htm The beast really screams. I'm sure it's creating a rift in the space/time continuum somewhere! I can only imagine how it would have performed if I'd been able to go the extra few hundred bucks and get a pair of dual-core CPUs instead of a pair of single-core chips... I really do owe a lot to TheBS and Damien for their help and advice while I was looking at specifications. Thanks again Guys. Regards, Ozz. From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sat Nov 5 11:41:59 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] It's here! In-Reply-To: <20051104212233.79ca2979.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> References: <20051104212233.79ca2979.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> Message-ID: <1131208919.5217.27.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 21:22 -0500, Austin Denyer wrote: > Hi Guys. > The nice FedEx man delivered my new workstation today. > Tyan K8WE MoBo, Dual-Opteron246 CPU, 2GB RAM, 2x200GB SATAII HDD, EVGA > GeForce 6600GT, Thermaltake XaserIII V1000A case. > It ROCKS!!!!! Glad to hear! Remember to update to the latest BIOS on those mainboards. There was some issues a few months back with Cool'n Quiet reliability under Linux (and Windows Server 2003) until a BIOS update. > I used a modified version of the Debian AMD64 netinstall CD, as the > standard one used the 2.6.8-2 kernel, which has limited hardware > detection. This had the 2.6.12 kernel (thanks to Len Sorensen > over on the Debian-AMD64 list), and installed fine with the exception of > the network drivers - it only found/loaded drivers for the firewire > networking, which I don't use. By continuing with the install and > rebooting, the forcedeth drivers loaded fine. The forcedeth drivers seem to be good for GbE performance now. As someone corrected me on the Fedora development list about 3-4 months ago, nVidia's legal shackles have been off for the last 12+ months. While they still offer the closed source "nvnet," the have had active people on the GPL "forcedeth" driver since 2004, including full disclosure. > A quick hack of the > network config files and I was up and running. I then just upgraded to > the 2.6.14-2-amd64-k8-smp kernel and I was good to go. (There is a bug > in the Opteron CPU that causes issues when running in SMP mode, and the > work-around was only just included in that kernel.) Which bug was that? I know there many errata coming out all-the-time with the Opteron's compatibility modes (i.e., so the Linux kernel can treat it like a "front-side bottleneck" processor, instead of its true NUMA/multi-point calling). > Two gotchas. > 1. When I installed X/KDE it swapped my NICs around (?!?!?). Interesting. The PCI bus order is defined by the APIC/ACPI, typically at POST. You're going to experience the greatest number of busses you've ever seen -- the sucker has 3 different HyperTransport tunnels, the nForce Pro 2200 and 2050 (20 PCIe channels _each_) and the AMD8131 (2 PCI-X channels). > 2. I haven't managed to get the nVidia video drivers working yet. The > official nVidia drivers will not load on X startup (although they did > appear to compile OK, and modprobe doesn't barf on them), and the nv > driver causes display corruption after a few mins. I'm running the vesa > driver right now without issue. Is the new Debian using udev? If so, that's the issue. The devices need to be created. What do you see in /proc/driver/? If the nVidia driver loads successfully, then you will see it there. Cat those files if they exist. In that case, it's definitely the lack of udev devices, which you'll need to create. As far as corruption on the "nv" driver, what Xorg version? If it's an older version, then yeah, that's your problem. Although the older Xorg release for NV3x (FX) will still drive NV4x (6xxx) series cards, you're going to have issues. > As far as (2) goes, I've heard that the nVidia drivers don't yet work > with kernels > 2.6.12, but I need the 2.6.14-2 kernel for SMP. > Can anyone confirm/deny/provide pointers for a workaround? Interesting. Do you have links to this information? Frankly, I think nVidia is lax in getting the latest Forceware 75 drivers over to Linux, probably because they have been so focused on Forceware 80 for Windows. > Anyhoo, the thing FLIES! > OpenOffice2 (run from a 32-bit chroot) loads in 3 secs. > The Gimp loads in under 1 sec. > I've only carved up one disk so far - I'm considering going to RAID-1 > at some stage. > I've tacked a few stats at the end to get the juices going... > Many, MANY thanks to all who provided input and convinced me to buy > this kit. > dev05:/home/adenyer# cat /proc/cpuinfo > model name : AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 246 > cache size : 1024 KB The design of the Opteron at 2.0GHz with 1MiB L2 (and 64+64KiB L1) is like having a 4.0GHz Pentium 4 with 1MiB L2 (and it's measily 16KiB + 8Kops L1). > flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge > mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext lm > 3dnowext 3dnow No SSE3 for programs that Intel has tricked people into such lossy math. Oh well, it looks like the older Rev. D, but that's not really an issue in Linux. > fdisk /dev/sda > Disk /dev/sda: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Yep, the first "nv_sata" device. > fdisk /dev/hdb ^^^ typo? > Disk /dev/sdb: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > top - 16:49:15 up 56 min, 2 users, load average: 0.82, 0.70, 0.49 > Tasks: 97 total, 2 running, 95 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie > Cpu(s): 13.5% us, 6.7% sy, 0.0% ni, 69.1% id, 7.8% wa, 1.2% hi, > 1.7% si > Mem: 2059056k total, 2047008k used, 12048k free, 4096k buffers > Swap: 3903752k total, 0k used, 3903752k free, 1786264k cached No games above 1GiB, you have full access to the entire 40-bit space of the EV6 address model. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The best things in life are NOT free - which is why life is easiest if you save all the bills until you can share them with the perfect woman From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sat Nov 5 11:45:50 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] It's here! In-Reply-To: <200511050156.35890.philb@philb.us> References: <20051104212233.79ca2979.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> <200511050156.35890.philb@philb.us> Message-ID: <1131209150.5217.32.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 01:56 -0500, Phil Barnett wrote: > nvidia drivers working here... (compiled) > $ uname -a > Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.13-1.1532_FC4 #1 Thu Oct 20 01:30:08 EDT 2005 > i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux I think he was referring to ... 1. Opteron 2xx (or 8xx) series (dual to 8-way) 2. Linux/x86-64 kernel AMD will always have to deal with the fact that it's architecture doesn't have full OS support yet (except for maybe in Solaris), so it has to ensure that it's "front-side bottleneck" compatibility for assumptions in the OS work flawlessly. Unfortunately, there are always issues with that -- because of the extra coherency placed in hardware. So the fact that the Opteron has compatibility issues with video and other I/O designed for Intel platforms doesn't surprise me. Intel is just now getting into multiple FSBs with its new Socket-771 platform, and will run into much of what AMD already learned on the Athlon MP. But even then, they don't have the issue that AMD has -- multiple I/O channels. ;-> I'd be interest in any links he has to those issues mentioned. I'd like to know more about them, because I want to know where AMD's backward compatibility on the interconnect is still lacking. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The best things in life are NOT free - which is why life is easiest if you save all the bills until you can share them with the perfect woman From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sat Nov 5 12:42:48 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] video card question In-Reply-To: <1131208117.5217.14.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <200511050201.14832.philb@philb.us> <1131208117.5217.14.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <1131212568.5217.44.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 10:28 -0600, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > Always remember that AGP is not always compatible, voltage-wise. So if > you have an older AGP 2.0 or, especially, 1.0 mainboard, don't expect > many AGP x8 cards to work. Many AGP x8 cards these days only do 0.8V, > which AGP 2.0 (x4) mainboards won't support. > Pretty much all FX and newer are AGP x8 only, and it's hard to guarantee > they will support the older 1.5V. Voltages/power of slots/cards has been mentioned on 2 other lists today, so I'm starting a blog entry ... http://thebs413.blogspot.com/2005/11/agp-agp-pro-pci-and-pci-x-voltage.html I'm off to see UCF plummel Houston's butt (Homecoming), so I'll finish it tonight. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The best things in life are NOT free - which is why life is easiest if you save all the bills until you can share them with the perfect woman From ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net Sat Nov 5 13:42:19 2005 From: ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net (Austin Denyer (Ozz)) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: Opteron errata / nVidia issues - links and stuff [was Re: [Pc_Support] It's here!] In-Reply-To: <1131209150.5217.32.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <20051104212233.79ca2979.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> <200511050156.35890.philb@philb.us> <1131209150.5217.32.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <20051105134219.5fcfcfad.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 10:45:50 -0600, "Bryan J. Smith" wrote: > > On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 01:56 -0500, Phil Barnett wrote: > > nvidia drivers working here... (compiled) > > $ uname -a > > Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.13-1.1532_FC4 #1 Thu Oct 20 01:30:08 EDT 2005 > > i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux > > I think he was referring to ... > 1. Opteron 2xx (or 8xx) series (dual to 8-way) > 2. Linux/x86-64 kernel That's correct. These are Opteron 246 CPUs, Debian amd64 distro. > AMD will always have to deal with the fact that it's architecture > doesn't have full OS support yet (except for maybe in Solaris), so it > has to ensure that it's "front-side bottleneck" compatibility for > assumptions in the OS work flawlessly. Unfortunately, there are always > issues with that -- because of the extra coherency placed in hardware. > > So the fact that the Opteron has compatibility issues with video and > other I/O designed for Intel platforms doesn't surprise me. Intel is > just now getting into multiple FSBs with its new Socket-771 platform, > and will run into much of what AMD already learned on the Athlon MP. > But even then, they don't have the issue that AMD has -- multiple I/O > channels. ;-> The new Intel dual-cores are downright pathetic from the reviews I've seen so far. > I'd be interest in any links he has to those issues mentioned. I'd like > to know more about them, because I want to know where AMD's backward > compatibility on the interconnect is still lacking. See below. Regards, Ozz. Here's a link to the kernel patch issue. It's long, so I've reproduced the clip below. http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/ChangeLog-2.6.14-rc2 commit bc5e8fdfc622b03acf5ac974a1b8b26da6511c99 Author: Linus Torvalds Date: Sat Sep 17 15:41:04 2005 -0700 x86-64/smp: fix random SIGSEGV issues They seem to have been due to AMD errata 63/122; the fix is to disable TLB flush filtering in SMP configurations. Confirmed to fix the problem by Andrew Walrond [ Let's see if we'll have a better fix eventually, this is the Q&D "let's get this fixed and out there" version ] Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds And here's another link: http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/9/20/207 Date Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:30:48 -0700 (PDT) From Linus Torvalds <> Subject Re: x86-64 bad pmds in 2.6.11.6 On Tue, 20 Sep 2005, Charles McCreary wrote: > > Another datapoint for this thread. The box spewing the bad pmds messages is a > dual opteron 246 on a TYAN S2885 Thunder K8W motherboard. Kernel is > 2.6.11.4-20a-smp. This is quite possibly the result of an Opteron errata (tlb flush filtering is broken on SMP) that we worked around as of 2.6.14-rc4. So either just try 2.6.14-rc2, or try the appended patch (it has since been confirmed by many more people). Linus And finally, details of the nVidia kernel issue. This is from the Debian-amd64 mailing list. From: Hans To: debian-amd64@lists.debian.org Cc: Gilles Subject: Re: nvidia (graphics) driver pain Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:07:13 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 Am Donnerstag, 3. November 2005 15:11 schrieb Gilles: > > I had a similar problem. Please remember, that nvidia-kernel and > > nvidai-glx must be the same version. > > Both are from version 1.0.7676-1. So that's not the problem... > > But I didn't install "nvidia-glx-ia32". Is it necessary? > > > Gilles No, this is only necessary, if you want to use 32-bit programs in 64-bit environment (I use this i.e. for X-Plane (this is a flight simulator)). BTW: In Kernel 2.6.14, the kernel-module can be built, but not loaded, due to an obsolete parameter in the sources ! I recommend to use 2.6.12, this work fine. But use 7174, 7176 and higher will not work (so it is for me). From ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net Sat Nov 5 13:47:26 2005 From: ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net (Austin Denyer (Ozz)) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] It's here! In-Reply-To: <1131208919.5217.27.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <20051104212233.79ca2979.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> <1131208919.5217.27.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <20051105134726.2ab5bc51.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 10:41:59 -0600, "Bryan J. Smith" wrote: > On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 21:22 -0500, Austin Denyer wrote: > > Hi Guys. > > The nice FedEx man delivered my new workstation today. > > Tyan K8WE MoBo, Dual-Opteron246 CPU, 2GB RAM, 2x200GB SATAII HDD, EVGA > > GeForce 6600GT, Thermaltake XaserIII V1000A case. > > It ROCKS!!!!! > > Glad to hear! > > Remember to update to the latest BIOS on those mainboards. There was > some issues a few months back with Cool'n Quiet reliability under Linux > (and Windows Server 2003) until a BIOS update. It has the latest BIOS. > > I used a modified version of the Debian AMD64 netinstall CD, as the > > standard one used the 2.6.8-2 kernel, which has limited hardware > > detection. This had the 2.6.12 kernel (thanks to Len Sorensen > > over on the Debian-AMD64 list), and installed fine with the exception of > > the network drivers - it only found/loaded drivers for the firewire > > networking, which I don't use. By continuing with the install and > > rebooting, the forcedeth drivers loaded fine. > > The forcedeth drivers seem to be good for GbE performance now. As > someone corrected me on the Fedora development list about 3-4 months > ago, nVidia's legal shackles have been off for the last 12+ months. > While they still offer the closed source "nvnet," the have had active > people on the GPL "forcedeth" driver since 2004, including full > disclosure. I like them. > > A quick hack of the > > network config files and I was up and running. I then just upgraded to > > the 2.6.14-2-amd64-k8-smp kernel and I was good to go. (There is a bug > > in the Opteron CPU that causes issues when running in SMP mode, and the > > work-around was only just included in that kernel.) > > Which bug was that? I know there many errata coming out all-the-time > with the Opteron's compatibility modes (i.e., so the Linux kernel can > treat it like a "front-side bottleneck" processor, instead of its true > NUMA/multi-point calling). See my other e-mail for links. > > Two gotchas. > > 1. When I installed X/KDE it swapped my NICs around (?!?!?). > > Interesting. The PCI bus order is defined by the APIC/ACPI, typically > at POST. You're going to experience the greatest number of busses > you've ever seen -- the sucker has 3 different HyperTransport tunnels, > the nForce Pro 2200 and 2050 (20 PCIe channels _each_) and the AMD8131 > (2 PCI-X channels). Yep - I can't explain it either. > > 2. I haven't managed to get the nVidia video drivers working yet. The > > official nVidia drivers will not load on X startup (although they did > > appear to compile OK, and modprobe doesn't barf on them), and the nv > > driver causes display corruption after a few mins. I'm running the vesa > > driver right now without issue. > > Is the new Debian using udev? If so, that's the issue. The devices > need to be created. To be honest, I'm not sure. I'll check on Monday. > What do you see in /proc/driver/? If the nVidia driver loads > successfully, then you will see it there. Cat those files if they > exist. In that case, it's definitely the lack of udev devices, which > you'll need to create. > > As far as corruption on the "nv" driver, what Xorg version? If it's an > older version, then yeah, that's your problem. Although the older Xorg > release for NV3x (FX) will still drive NV4x (6xxx) series cards, you're > going to have issues. Again, without checking the box again, I'm not sure. It's whatever was with Debian Sid as of Friday... > > As far as (2) goes, I've heard that the nVidia drivers don't yet work > > with kernels > 2.6.12, but I need the 2.6.14-2 kernel for SMP. > > Can anyone confirm/deny/provide pointers for a workaround? > > Interesting. Do you have links to this information? Frankly, I think > nVidia is lax in getting the latest Forceware 75 drivers over to Linux, > probably because they have been so focused on Forceware 80 for Windows. Again, links in my other e-mail. > > Anyhoo, the thing FLIES! > > OpenOffice2 (run from a 32-bit chroot) loads in 3 secs. > > The Gimp loads in under 1 sec. > > I've only carved up one disk so far - I'm considering going to RAID-1 > > at some stage. > > I've tacked a few stats at the end to get the juices going... > > Many, MANY thanks to all who provided input and convinced me to buy > > this kit. > > dev05:/home/adenyer# cat /proc/cpuinfo > > model name : AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 246 > > cache size : 1024 KB > > The design of the Opteron at 2.0GHz with 1MiB L2 (and 64+64KiB L1) is > like having a 4.0GHz Pentium 4 with 1MiB L2 (and it's measily 16KiB + > 8Kops L1). Sure makes Intel look silly. > > flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge > > mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext lm > > 3dnowext 3dnow > > No SSE3 for programs that Intel has tricked people into such lossy math. > Oh well, it looks like the older Rev. D, but that's not really an issue > in Linux. > > > fdisk /dev/sda > > Disk /dev/sda: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes > > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders > > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > > Yep, the first "nv_sata" device. > > > fdisk /dev/hdb > ^^^ typo? Yep - my bad, should be /dev/sdb > > Disk /dev/sdb: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes > > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders > > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > > top - 16:49:15 up 56 min, 2 users, load average: 0.82, 0.70, 0.49 > > Tasks: 97 total, 2 running, 95 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie > > Cpu(s): 13.5% us, 6.7% sy, 0.0% ni, 69.1% id, 7.8% wa, 1.2% hi, > > 1.7% si > > Mem: 2059056k total, 2047008k used, 12048k free, 4096k buffers > > Swap: 3903752k total, 0k used, 3903752k free, 1786264k cached > > No games above 1GiB, you have full access to the entire 40-bit space of > the EV6 address model. I really do love the machine. Regards, Ozz. From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sun Nov 6 02:22:21 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: Opteron errata / nVidia issues - links and stuff [was Re: [Pc_Support] It's here!] In-Reply-To: <20051105134219.5fcfcfad.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> References: <20051104212233.79ca2979.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> <200511050156.35890.philb@philb.us> <1131209150.5217.32.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <20051105134219.5fcfcfad.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> Message-ID: <1131261741.5012.9.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 13:42 -0500, Austin Denyer wrote: > The new Intel dual-cores are downright pathetic from the reviews I've > seen so far. Until Intel allows processors to access memory and I/O independently of each other, they will have poor performance. At the same time, because Intel has never allowed such, they are going to find they are 5 years behind AMD when they do next year. > Here's a link to the kernel patch issue. It's long, so I've > reproduced the clip below. > http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/ChangeLog-2.6.14-rc2 Yep, found that in the AMD Errata -- Rev. Guide 3.07, page 16 (fall 2003): http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/25759.PDF Coherency issues with a hardware-side hack that AMD came up. Long story short, 32-bit NT kernels use PAE, and that is a major performance hit. So AMD came up with a way to filter out required TLB flushes. I'm sure this gives all sorts of performance bonuses. The downside is ... as always ... AMD CPUs accessing things independently -- whether via the EV6 crossbar switch in Athlon MP, or now the NUMA/HyperTransport multi-point in Opteron 2xx/8xx. So YACI (yet another coherency issue) with AMD's design in MP modes (where CPU states will differ), although they've come a long way from Athlon MP. The workaround is to not use the hardware-side hack. This patch merely disables it to prevent its use. Although AMD is planning a new version of the hack that solves the coherency issue (already implemented in newer Rev. E???), it can be solved with a kernel that doesn't rely on old assumptions of all CPUs having coherent TLBs because they all use the same, shared interconnect (i.e., old Intel). That seems to be what Linus wants, which will only help Linux's scalability on NUMA/multi-point architectures. Coherency issues are always the problem when you don't use a single "memory controller hub" point for all system communications. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The best things in life are NOT free - which is why life is easiest if you save all the bills until you can share them with the perfect woman From tim at mcdonough.net Mon Nov 7 09:27:38 2005 From: tim at mcdonough.net (Tim McDonough) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Maxtor 100GB Serial ATA (SATA) drive $99.99 - $65.00 rebate In-Reply-To: <20051104233557.79287.qmail@web34101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051104233557.79287.qmail@web34101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <436F645A.7090401@mcdonough.net> How is Maxtor faring in terms of reliability these days? Based on past problems from a couple years back I have pretty much ignored them the past two years. Tim Bryan J. Smith wrote: > For those looking for a cheap SATA drive and you don't mind > waiting on rebates, this 7200rpm, 8MB buffer, 100GB Maxtor is > nice for $34.99 net: > > http://dealnews.com/deals/Maxtor-100-GB-Serial-ATA-Hard-Drive-for-35-after-rebate/99515.html From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Nov 7 09:43:33 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Maxtor 100GB Serial ATA (SATA) drive $99.99 - $65.00 rebate In-Reply-To: <436F645A.7090401@mcdonough.net> Message-ID: <20051107144333.85347.qmail@web34105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tim McDonough wrote: > How is Maxtor faring in terms of reliability these days? > Based on past problems from a couple years back I have > pretty much ignored them the past two years. Brand name doesn't mean squat, whether you're talking drivers or reliability. This is typically because many vendors are not manufacturers. Individual models are everything. You have to take products on their merits individually. I've had some Maxtor models work most excellent. And I've had some fail within a year. Now Maxtor-Quantum is their own fab. So is Seagate. So is Hitachi. Western Digital is basically Hitachi right now (and IBM before that). Commodity drives are commodity drives. You can be sure that disk failure is going to be the highest of any such commodity drive. Now all 3 manufacturers have added new techniques to bring the vibration rate down 2-3x, increase heat tolerances from 40C to 60C, and some have returned their retail products to 3 or even 5 year warranties. But most OEM products are sold dirt-cheap for cost, and that means the worst of the batch. Hence why many only carry a 1 year warranty. So be wary when you buy anything commodity, unless it's an explicit 24x7 rated model (such as the Seagate NL35 or Western Digital Caviar SE). -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From philb at philb.us Mon Nov 7 11:48:52 2005 From: philb at philb.us (Phil Barnett) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:24 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Maxtor 100GB Serial ATA (SATA) drive $99.99 - $65.00 rebate In-Reply-To: <20051107144333.85347.qmail@web34105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051107144333.85347.qmail@web34105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200511071148.52342.philb@philb.us> On Monday 07 November 2005 09:43 am, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > Commodity drives are commodity drives. You can be sure that > disk failure is going to be the highest of any such commodity > drive. Now all 3 manufacturers have added new techniques to > bring the vibration rate down 2-3x, increase heat tolerances > from 40C to 60C, and some have returned their retail products > to 3 or even 5 year warranties. > > But most OEM products are sold dirt-cheap for cost, and that > means the worst of the batch. Hence why many only carry a 1 > year warranty. So be wary when you buy anything commodity, > unless it's an explicit 24x7 rated model (such as the Seagate > NL35 or Western Digital Caviar SE). Agreed. That's why I put them at least in pairs and mirror them if the data matters at all. -- "In communism, man exploits man. In capitalism, it's the other way around." From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Nov 7 11:59:44 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Maxtor 100GB Serial ATA (SATA) drive $99.99 - $65.00 rebate In-Reply-To: <200511071148.52342.philb@philb.us> Message-ID: <20051107165944.11965.qmail@web34108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Phil Barnett wrote: > Agreed. > That's why I put them at least in pairs and mirror them if > the data matters at all. Every desktop system I build today has a mirror. Now if only there was a PCIe version of 3Ware's 2-channel cards (let alone any PCIe version). Mirrored disks on a card that does load-balancing reads can easily saturate the entire 133GBps (32b@33MHz) PCI bus. Until then, I just use software RAID (or even just rsync) on newer mainboards that connect the SATA to a PCIe x1 channel -- such as the nForce4 series of chipsets. -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From jasonb at edseek.com Mon Nov 7 13:03:20 2005 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Maxtor 100GB Serial ATA (SATA) drive $99.99 - $65.00 rebate In-Reply-To: <20051107165944.11965.qmail@web34108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051107165944.11965.qmail@web34108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200511071303.20706.jasonb@edseek.com> On Monday 07 November 2005 11:59, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > Mirrored disks on a card that does load-balancing reads can > easily saturate the entire 133GBps (32b@33MHz) PCI bus. 133GBps? I want one. ;) -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Nov 7 14:13:03 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Maxtor 100GB Serial ATA (SATA) drive $99.99 - $65.00 rebate In-Reply-To: <200511071303.20706.jasonb@edseek.com> Message-ID: <20051107191303.99207.qmail@web34104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jason Boxman wrote: > 133GBps? I want one. ;) I'm getting close to 100MiBps sequencial reads using a 8GiB file reads via Bonnie on my wife's Athlon XP2600+ (Socket-462, ViA chipset, 1GiB DDR266 SDRAM) with an old 3Ware Escalade 6200 and two (2) Western Digital 160GB drives. It's clearly saturating her PCI bus. Moving away from the on-board ALC650 to an Audigy2 clearly addressed the sound quality issues she was having because of the reduction in I/O use for audio. -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Nov 7 16:12:10 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] InFocus 50" DLP (720p) with tuners (w/card), FireWire, optical, etc... for $1, 999 + $5 shipping ... Message-ID: <20051107211211.13457.qmail@web34112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Similar to the last deal in features, but only 50" (11" smaller) so $1,999 ($500) cheaper: http://dealnews.com/deals/In-Focus-Screen-Play-50-md10-50-DLP-Projection-HDTV-for-2-000/99743.html That previous deal was this thread ... http://lists.leap-cf.org/pipermail/pc_support/2005-October/001214.html -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From philb at philb.us Mon Nov 7 20:01:28 2005 From: philb at philb.us (Phil Barnett) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] InFocus 50" DLP (720p) with tuners (w/card), FireWire, optical, etc... for $1, 999 + $5 shipping ... In-Reply-To: <20051107211211.13457.qmail@web34112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051107211211.13457.qmail@web34112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200511072001.28883.philb@philb.us> On Monday 07 November 2005 04:12 pm, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > Similar to the last deal in features, but only 50" (11" > smaller) so $1,999 ($500) cheaper: > http://dealnews.com/deals/In-Focus-Screen-Play-50-md10-50-DLP-Projection-HD >TV-for-2-000/99743.html > > That previous deal was this thread ... > http://lists.leap-cf.org/pipermail/pc_support/2005-October/001214.html Today's Woot.com offer. -- "In communism, man exploits man. In capitalism, it's the other way around." From ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net Mon Nov 7 20:09:48 2005 From: ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net (Austin Denyer (Ozz)) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] WinME Help Message-ID: <20051107200948.74555316.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> Hi Guys. A friend just had me blat his WinME box and re-install from scratch. Unfortunately he just found out he cannot remember his pop3 password from Outlook Express. He does have a full backup of the entire system, but I really don't want to have to restore the whole system for him just to get his password back. Note - if I restore from backup then I have ways of getting the password out, but I'm not sure how to do it without a complete restore. Does anyone know which file stores the password, and if it is possible to restore just this one file so he can get to his e-mail again? Regards, Ozz. From work at sprynet.com Mon Nov 7 23:27:29 2005 From: work at sprynet.com (J.T. Hayden) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] WinME Help In-Reply-To: <20051107200948.74555316.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> Message-ID: <01ba01c5e41c$bb5404b0$650aa8c0@xpmaster> Why does he not just contact his ISP and get it from there? J.T. Hayden -----Original Message----- From: pc_support-bounces@matrixlist.com [mailto:pc_support-bounces@matrixlist.com] On Behalf Of Austin (Ozz) Denyer Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 20.10 To: List - PC-Support Subject: [Pc_Support] WinME Help Hi Guys. A friend just had me blat his WinME box and re-install from scratch. Unfortunately he just found out he cannot remember his pop3 password from Outlook Express. He does have a full backup of the entire system, but I really don't want to have to restore the whole system for him just to get his password back. Note - if I restore from backup then I have ways of getting the password out, but I'm not sure how to do it without a complete restore. Does anyone know which file stores the password, and if it is possible to restore just this one file so he can get to his e-mail again? Regards, Ozz. _______________________________________________ Pc_support mailing list Pc_support@matrixlist.com http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support From philb at philb.us Tue Nov 8 00:25:22 2005 From: philb at philb.us (Phil Barnett) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Followup to my request comparing video cards... Message-ID: <200511080025.22642.philb@philb.us> Just what the doctor ordered... http://www.gpureview.com/database.php -- "In communism, man exploits man. In capitalism, it's the other way around." From philb at philb.us Tue Nov 8 08:51:57 2005 From: philb at philb.us (Phil Barnett) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Free Express Editions of Visual Studio 2005, SQL Server, etc. Message-ID: <200511080851.57855.philb@philb.us> Get 'em while they're hot! http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/default.aspx -- "In communism, man exploits man. In capitalism, it's the other way around." From b.j.smith at ieee.org Tue Nov 8 17:46:49 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Thenk ooh fur culling Snell Ku'puters ... Message-ID: <20051108224649.24662.qmail@web34101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Looks like $20/day for Indian support is keeping Wall Street away (among other things)! http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=47177 -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From m9u35g at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 17:59:43 2005 From: m9u35g at gmail.com (Justin M. Keyes) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Thenk ooh fur culling Snell Ku'puters ... In-Reply-To: <20051108224649.24662.qmail@web34101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051108224649.24662.qmail@web34101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46f680d0511081459y3d10793eoad6314c580d7cc46@mail.gmail.com> On 11/8/05, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > Looks like $20/day for Indian support is keeping Wall Street > away (among other things)! > http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=47177 I don't see anything at that link about Indian support... -- Justin Keyes From b.j.smith at ieee.org Tue Nov 8 18:07:07 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Thenk ooh fur culling Snell Ku'puters ... In-Reply-To: <46f680d0511081459y3d10793eoad6314c580d7cc46@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051108230707.86441.qmail@web34108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "Justin M. Keyes" wrote: > I don't see anything at that link about Indian support... They mentioned a couple of companies, including HP no longer outsourcing its SMB support. -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From b.j.smith at ieee.org Tue Nov 8 18:09:54 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Thenk ooh fur culling Snell Ku'puters ... (CORRECTION) In-Reply-To: <20051108230707.86441.qmail@web34108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051108230955.3051.qmail@web34102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "Bryan J. Smith" wrote: > They mentioned a couple of companies, including HP no > longer outsourcing its SMB support. Ack, it wasn't that article. I have to find the original. I incorrectly read what that article said, relating it to another. In a nutshell, many of the Tier-1 OEMs have reversed everything from outsourcing support to continuing to work non-direct. I also think it has a lot to do with lack of AMD offerings. I mean, it's getting to the point where Intel's marketing dollars aren't enough to counter the AMD sales on the shelf and at the server. -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From b.j.smith at ieee.org Tue Nov 8 18:14:08 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Thenk ooh fur culling Snell Ku'puters ... (Okay, real reason!) In-Reply-To: <20051108230955.3051.qmail@web34102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051108231408.74569.qmail@web34106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "Bryan J. Smith" wrote: > I mean, it's getting to the point where Intel's marketing > dollars aren't enough to counter the AMD sales on the shelf > and at the server. Actually, I think this was the real reason! @-p http://www.sun.com/emrkt/rejected/rhymes_magazine_page_LEres.PDF -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From b.j.smith at ieee.org Wed Nov 9 10:44:11 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] OpenFiler canned NAS (with SAN capabilities forthcoming) ... Message-ID: <20051109154411.15361.qmail@web34112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just heard about this on the CentOS list. I'm extremely impressed with where they are at today with version 1.1 as a _complete_ NAS (based on CentOS 3 -- kernel 2.4, LVM, Samba, NFS v3)! http://www.openfiler.com/docs/roadmap.html - Various authentication/directory (as well as local) support - CIFS/SMB, NFS v3 and HTTP, including ACLs and Quota support - Easy network, host, group, etc... definition/access control Let alone they have some pretty lofty clustering-failover and SAN goals they are working towards for 2.0 (seemingly based on CentOS 4 -- kernel 2.6, LVM2/DM, GFS, Samba, NFS v3/4). Heck, once they get WebDAV in there (especially with DeltaV), that would just be the _killer_app_ (and would plummel SharePoint). The FAQs: http://www.openfiler.com/docs/faq/openfiler-general-faq.html http://www.openfiler.com/docs/faq/openfiler-administration-faq.html And Screenshots ... - Network/host definitions and access control: http://www.openfiler.com/screenshots/shots/general_local_networks_1.png http://www.openfiler.com/screenshots/shots/shares_edit_share_3.png - Select directory service(s): http://www.openfiler.com/screenshots/shots/accounts_authentication_2.png - Group and host access control: http://www.openfiler.com/screenshots/shots/shares_edit_share_5.png - Quotas: http://www.openfiler.com/screenshots/shots/quota_group_quota_2.png -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net Wed Nov 9 18:06:38 2005 From: ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net (Austin Denyer (Ozz)) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] WinME Help In-Reply-To: <01ba01c5e41c$bb5404b0$650aa8c0@xpmaster> References: <20051107200948.74555316.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> <01ba01c5e41c$bb5404b0$650aa8c0@xpmaster> Message-ID: <20051109180638.281cef92.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:27:29 -0500, "J.T. Hayden" wrote: > > Why does he not just contact his ISP and get it from there? His ISP's website was seriously screwed up and gave 500 errors every time he tried to recover his password. He eventually bit the bullet and deleted/recreated his e-mail account. It's not a high-volume account so he's unlikely to have lost anything of importance. The ironic thing was, about 10 mins after blatting the account he remembered the old password. Go figure... Regards, Ozz. From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Nov 10 00:46:47 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] GeForce 6800GS PCIe 256MB DDR3 cards around $200 Message-ID: <20051110054648.76272.qmail@web34107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just FYI, the GeForce 6800GS is now becoming available. It's basically a native PCIe version of the original 6800, fabbed by TSMC at 0.11um instead of the original 0.13um. They run only $200, typically with HDTV-out. Definitely a nice option between a GeForce 6600GT with only 128MB DDR3 (unless you go with the lower GeForce 6600 256MB DDR, although reports are that XFX is using DDR2 for a performance boost), and the newer GeForce 7800GT 256MB DDR3 which start at $325. Related AnandTech review: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2593 -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From pberry2 at cfl.rr.com Thu Nov 10 11:55:17 2005 From: pberry2 at cfl.rr.com (Linux User patrick) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Sony DRM exploit explained, VNUnet, or WHY I do NOT buy SONY cd's... Message-ID: <43737B75.3010601@cfl.rr.com> Virus writers exploit Sony DRM Sony doomsday scenario becomes reality Iain Thomson and Tom Sanders, vnunet.com 10 Nov 2005 Virus writers have already started to exploit Sony 's controversial digital rights management software, which uses a rootkit to hide the code and ensure that the CDs are not copied. A new Trojan, Troj/Stinx-E , has been mass-mailed to UK email addresses. The worm is a variant of what McAfee referred to as the Brepibot virus that was first discovered on April this year. BitDefender calls the new worm Backdoor IRC Snyd A and F-Secure Breplibot.B . The new version has been altered to exploit a feature in the XCP digital rights management technology for Windows systems that comes bundled with several audio CDs from the Sony BMG record label. The software will automatically install the first time a user tries to play an infected audio CD on his computer's CD Rom drive. In addition to digital rights manament technology, CD also installs a so-called root kit that hides files from the user and the system, including anti-virus software. Security experts have argued that it is extremely poorly engineered and that worm authors can exploit it by simply placing the characters "$sys$" in front of a file name. The new variant of the Stinx trojan tries to do exactly that. "Sony started off with the right intentions but did not recognise the implications of what it was doing," said Graham Cluley, senior technology consultant at Sophos . "We've had companies calling up all day asking what to do with this. We feel sorry for the musicians; if you look on Amazon right now reviewers are telling people not to buy the album, not because of the music but because of the copy protection. See the Full Story: http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2145874/virus-writers-exploit-sony-drm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.matrixlist.com/pipermail/pc_support/attachments/20051110/454d4773/attachment.html From ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net Fri Nov 11 07:42:27 2005 From: ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net (ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Sony DRM exploit explained, VNUnet, or WHY I do NOT buy SONY cd's... In-Reply-To: <43737B75.3010601@cfl.rr.com> References: <43737B75.3010601@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <50612.69.176.47.130.1131712947.squirrel@www.ozz.is-a-geek.net> > > Virus writers exploit Sony DRM > > > Sony doomsday scenario becomes reality > > Iain Thomson and Tom Sanders, vnunet.com 10 Nov > 2005 > Virus writers have already started to exploit Sony > 's controversial digital rights management > software, which uses a rootkit to hide > the code and ensure that the CDs are not copied. > > A new Trojan, Troj/Stinx-E > , has been > mass-mailed to UK email addresses. The worm is a variant of what McAfee > referred to as the Brepibot > > virus that was first discovered on April this year. BitDefender calls > the new worm Backdoor IRC Snyd A > > and F-Secure Breplibot.B > . The funny thing is, the new trojan mass-emails to UK e-mail addresses. The Sony CDs sold in the UK do not contain the rootkit, as they violate British law. The trojan writer didn't do their homework... Regards, Ozz. From philb at philb.us Sun Nov 13 10:57:01 2005 From: philb at philb.us (Phil Barnett) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Question about LCD speed. Message-ID: <200511131057.01964.philb@philb.us> How is 12ms for games like bzflag? -- "In communism, man exploits man. In capitalism, it's the other way around." From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sun Nov 13 23:12:21 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Question about LCD speed. In-Reply-To: <200511131057.01964.philb@philb.us> References: <200511131057.01964.philb@philb.us> Message-ID: <1131941541.5004.13.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 10:57 -0500, Phil Barnett wrote: > How is 12ms for games like bzflag? 83Hz vertical refresh rate -- typically higher than the 60-75Hz you're video framebuffer refresh input is. ;-> -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The best things in life are NOT free - which is why life is easiest if you save all the bills until you can share them with the perfect woman From philb at philb.us Mon Nov 14 00:43:47 2005 From: philb at philb.us (Phil Barnett) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Question about LCD speed. In-Reply-To: <1131941541.5004.13.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <200511131057.01964.philb@philb.us> <1131941541.5004.13.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <200511140043.47746.philb@philb.us> On Sunday 13 November 2005 11:12 pm, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 10:57 -0500, Phil Barnett wrote: > > How is 12ms for games like bzflag? > > 83Hz vertical refresh rate -- typically higher than the 60-75Hz you're > video framebuffer refresh input is. ;-> There's quite a few 19" 12ms around $250 with no rebates. Looks like a great christmas is a comin'. -- "In communism, man exploits man. In capitalism, it's the other way around." From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Nov 14 01:36:11 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Question about LCD speed. In-Reply-To: <200511140043.47746.philb@philb.us> References: <200511131057.01964.philb@philb.us> <1131941541.5004.13.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <200511140043.47746.philb@philb.us> Message-ID: <1131950171.5004.23.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 00:43 -0500, Phil Barnett wrote: > There's quite a few 19" 12ms around $250 with no rebates. Yepper. 16ms is minimum at 60Hz. 12ms makes it perfect. 8ms leaves no doubt (and would take 120Hz, if the monitors took such a signal -- might be nice for 3D shutter glasses, but I haven't seen one capable yet). The only kicker is the 1280x1024 resolution. Few full-screen titles run well at 1280x1024, some force 1280x960, and there's no "perfect divisor" to any other resolution -- and 640x480 is a tad small. 1600x1200 (or even 1920x1200 16:10, which is 1600x1200 at 4:3) is nicer, because it's a perfect 2x over 800x600. Of course, it'll cost you well over $500 for them, and rarely do even Dell's 20.1" 4:3 break $500 (only the 20.1" widescreen which does 1680x1050). At over $500, you might as well splurge to $779 (when on-sale) for the Dell 24" with all sorts of features, or get a 30" something LCD with a 1366x768 resolution (as long as it has a 16ms refresh). > Looks like a great christmas is a comin'. Yepper. Although I'm going to add my 2nd Windows system to my house then, an Xbox 360. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The best things in life are NOT free - which is why life is easiest if you save all the bills until you can share them with the perfect woman From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Nov 14 01:37:43 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Question about LCD speed. In-Reply-To: <1131950171.5004.23.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <200511131057.01964.philb@philb.us> <1131941541.5004.13.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <200511140043.47746.philb@philb.us> <1131950171.5004.23.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <1131950264.5004.25.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 00:36 -0600, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > Yepper. 16ms is minimum at 60Hz. 12ms makes it perfect. 8ms leaves no > doubt (and would take 120Hz, if the monitors took such a signal -- might > be nice for 3D shutter glasses, but I haven't seen one capable yet). > The only kicker is the 1280x1024 resolution. > Few full-screen titles run well at 1280x1024, some force 1280x960, and > there's no "perfect divisor" to any other resolution -- and 640x480 is a > tad small. But I'm happy with my dual 19" monitors (primary 8ms, secondary 25ms). I can deal with 1280x1024 -- it's not killer that I have 1600x1200. That's a much better deal for $500 IMHO. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The best things in life are NOT free - which is why life is easiest if you save all the bills until you can share them with the perfect woman From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Nov 14 04:15:03 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] nVidia G72 (7200), G73 (7600) due in February, March ... Message-ID: <20051114091503.6316.qmail@web34104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> According to AnandTech, the G72 (GeForce 7200) is due in February 2006 and the G73 (GeForce 7600) is due March 2006. The final product specifications are not yet known, but it has been rumored that they will be pin (and, therefore, PCB) compatible with the existing NV43-V/NV44 (6200/6200TC) and NV43 (6600). 6600 cards typically have 6-pin (2x3) SSI WS aka "PCIe" connector. 6200 cards do not. Expect similar power requirements for the 7600 and 7200, respectively. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2595 -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From jasonb at edseek.com Tue Nov 15 11:12:18 2005 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] GeForce 6800GS PCIe 256MB DDR3 cards around $200 In-Reply-To: <20051110054648.76272.qmail@web34107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051110054648.76272.qmail@web34107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200511151112.18720.jasonb@edseek.com> On Thursday 10 November 2005 00:46, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > Definitely a nice option between a GeForce 6600GT with only > 128MB DDR3 (unless you go with the lower GeForce 6600 256MB > DDR, although reports are that XFX is using DDR2 for a > performance boost), and the newer GeForce 7800GT 256MB DDR3 > which start at $325. fwiw http://edseek.com/archives/2005/08/16/xfx-video-cards-6600gt-dont-waste-your-money/ -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff From jasonb at edseek.com Tue Nov 15 11:16:28 2005 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Question about LCD speed. In-Reply-To: <1131950264.5004.25.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <200511131057.01964.philb@philb.us> <1131950171.5004.23.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1131950264.5004.25.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <200511151116.29007.jasonb@edseek.com> On Monday 14 November 2005 01:37, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > But I'm happy with my dual 19" monitors (primary 8ms, secondary 25ms). > I can deal with 1280x1024 -- it's not killer that I have 1600x1200. > > That's a much better deal for $500 IMHO. Yes. Once you've gone dual anything, any resolution, you can't go back. You'll never be productive again. ;) -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff From b.j.smith at ieee.org Tue Nov 15 12:25:22 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Does anyone locally sell MicroDrives with either 44-pin ATA or Compact Flash interfaces? Message-ID: <20051115172522.74540.qmail@web34114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm having a heck of a time getting XP Embedded (XPE) built for my system (which will be Compact Flash) -- I just can't get the devices figured out so I won't get a STOP: 0x0000007B error (even using a hard drive). Eventually I'll get it, but I really need something immediate until I do. The system runs 2000/XP no problem -- since the installer takes care of setting up the devices and registry (yes, I know, I've run TAP in a full boot to no avail with the resulting 110+ device .pmq file for XPE). So I'm thinking of using a MicroDrive temporarily, since it has much higher tolerances than any other type of drive -- especially some of the new models that park the heads if they detect a drop of a foot or so (and can take 2000G). So, anyone know of a local reseller who has MicroDrives with either a 44-pin ATA or Compact Flash interface? The latter would be idea (since it plugs right into the board's ATA-to-CF converter, no cabling/mounting), but ATA would be fine as well. All I've seen are USB-type. -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From whittake at sbaflorida.com Tue Nov 15 15:10:36 2005 From: whittake at sbaflorida.com (Homer Whittaker) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Kernel-2.6.8-2 image In-Reply-To: <20051115172522.74540.qmail@web34114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051115172522.74540.qmail@web34114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200511151510.36504.whittake@sbaflorida.com> Some time ago my wife lost her contact with the internet on a machine approximately 100 feet from my cable router. I know too far but just on the edge, wherein the problem. From whittake at sbaflorida.com Tue Nov 15 15:29:22 2005 From: whittake at sbaflorida.com (Homer Whittaker) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] USB Memory Stick In-Reply-To: <20051115172522.74540.qmail@web34114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051115172522.74540.qmail@web34114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200511151529.23100.whittake@sbaflorida.com> I need to download a Debian kernel-2.6.8-2 image onto a memory stick in my Debian machine. I have downloaded the image and it is sitting on my desktop, the problem is I cannot call up the usb port with the memory stick attached. My dmesg indicates it is seen by the machine. It reports hub 1-0:1.0: usb hub found hub 2-0:1.0: usb hub found usb 2-1 full speed device using address 2 usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage #lsusb reports: us 002 Device 002: ID 0781:5150 SanDisk Corp. SDCZ2 Cruzer Mini Flash Drive (thin) Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Even if I find the memory stick I still am not sure I am on the right track. My wife's machine has Mandrake with a kernel 2.4 installed. She has lost contact with our cable modem because her machine is approximately 100 feet away. The machine CAN see the cable modem using Knoppix26. If there is some method that I can use to upgrade her Mandrake to a 2.6 kernel via Knoppix I will use it or I will try the memory stick route if I can find it. I do not know HowTo either way. Any assistance would surely help, and keep my marriage healthy :) Homer Whittaker From pberry2 at cfl.rr.com Tue Nov 15 09:31:38 2005 From: pberry2 at cfl.rr.com (Linux User patrick) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Kernel-2.6.8-2 image In-Reply-To: <200511151510.36504.whittake@sbaflorida.com> References: <20051115172522.74540.qmail@web34114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200511151510.36504.whittake@sbaflorida.com> Message-ID: <4379F14A.9090504@cfl.rr.com> Homer Whittaker wrote: >Some time ago my wife lost her contact with the internet on a >machine approximately 100 feet from my cable router. I know too >far but just on the edge, wherein the problem. >_______________________________________________ >Pc_support mailing list >Pc_support@matrixlist.com >http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support > > > So, simply go wifi! less than $100. Or, run a new length of Cat5 wire! Less than $40. _________________ There are NO 'new' questions! Did you first search: http://scroogle.com http://kartoo.com http://lugww.counter.li.org http://yolinux.com http://linuxiso.org http://distrowatch.com http://www.linuxquestions.org http://livecdlist.com From whittake at sbaflorida.com Tue Nov 15 16:46:37 2005 From: whittake at sbaflorida.com (Homer Whittaker) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Kernel-2.6.8-2 image In-Reply-To: <4379F14A.9090504@cfl.rr.com> References: <20051115172522.74540.qmail@web34114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200511151510.36504.whittake@sbaflorida.com> <4379F14A.9090504@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <200511151646.37365.whittake@sbaflorida.com> On Tuesday 15 November 2005 09:31, Linux User patrick wrote: > Homer Whittaker wrote: > >Some time ago my wife lost her contact with the internet on a > >machine approximately 100 feet from my cable router. I know > > too far but just on the edge, wherein the problem. > >_______________________________________________ > >Pc_support mailing list > >Pc_support@matrixlist.com > >http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support > > So, simply go wifi! less than $100. Or, run a new length of > Cat5 wire! Less than $40. Nope, for several reasons. Both have been examined and rejected. Actually it may be easier just reinstalling a Debian with 2.6. You may not have noted, the machine does work with a 2.6 kernel! Homer > > > _________________ > There are NO 'new' questions! Did you first search: > http://scroogle.com http://kartoo.com > http://lugww.counter.li.org http://yolinux.com > http://linuxiso.org http://distrowatch.com > http://www.linuxquestions.org > http://livecdlist.com > > _______________________________________________ > Pc_support mailing list > Pc_support@matrixlist.com > http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support From b.j.smith at ieee.org Wed Nov 16 06:41:02 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] GeForce 6800GS PCIe 256MB DDR3 cards around $200 In-Reply-To: <200511151112.18720.jasonb@edseek.com> References: <20051110054648.76272.qmail@web34107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200511151112.18720.jasonb@edseek.com> Message-ID: <1132141262.5014.5.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 11:12 -0500, Jason Boxman wrote: > fwiw > http://edseek.com/archives/2005/08/16/xfx-video-cards-6600gt-dont-waste-your-money/ Yep, I remember your experiences, and that they are not alone. One has to wonder if these models are the DDR2 models? -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- For everything else *COUGH*commercials*COUGH* there's "ManningCard" From whittake at sbaflorida.com Tue Nov 15 17:06:37 2005 From: whittake at sbaflorida.com (Homer Whittaker) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Smmmmearing on several applications Message-ID: <200511151706.37412.whittake@sbaflorida.com> Apparently I am loosing one of my cards or the mother board. While using several different browsers, Firefox and also Mozilla the page I am working with starts to smear and seems to have numerous background verbage, pictures, and just straight smearing. The latest time was when I was writing a letter in OpenOffice and it smeared on me to the point that I could not finish (lost) the letter I was writing. Any thoughts as to what it might be? Homer Whittaker From jasonb at edseek.com Wed Nov 16 12:31:46 2005 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] GeForce 6800GS PCIe 256MB DDR3 cards around $200 In-Reply-To: <1132141262.5014.5.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <20051110054648.76272.qmail@web34107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200511151112.18720.jasonb@edseek.com> <1132141262.5014.5.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <200511161231.46744.jasonb@edseek.com> On Wednesday 16 November 2005 06:41, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 11:12 -0500, Jason Boxman wrote: > > fwiw > > http://edseek.com/archives/2005/08/16/xfx-video-cards-6600gt-dont-waste-y > >our-money/ > > Yep, I remember your experiences, and that they are not alone. > One has to wonder if these models are the DDR2 models? It was DDR3 I believe. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff From b.j.smith at ieee.org Wed Nov 16 20:51:54 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] GeForce 6800GS PCIe 256MB DDR3 cards around $200 In-Reply-To: <200511161231.46744.jasonb@edseek.com> Message-ID: <20051117015154.71962.qmail@web34113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jason Boxman wrote: > It was DDR3 I believe. DDR3 is on the "GT" models. I just remembered, you had a 6600GT. I was talking about the 6600 (non-GT). They normally use DDR. But XFX is shipping DDR2 on some of them. I just crossed concepts after you responded. -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Nov 17 09:37:31 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Smmmmearing on several applications In-Reply-To: <200511151706.37412.whittake@sbaflorida.com> References: <200511151706.37412.whittake@sbaflorida.com> Message-ID: <1132238251.5042.30.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 17:06 -0500, Homer Whittaker wrote: > Apparently I am loosing one of my cards or the mother board. > While using several different browsers, Firefox and also Mozilla > the page I am working with starts to smear and seems to have > numerous background verbage, pictures, and just straight > smearing. The latest time was when I was writing a letter in > OpenOffice and it smeared on me to the point that I could not > finish (lost) the letter I was writing. > Any thoughts as to what it might be? Sounds like Homie hit a couple porno sites with the Javascriptie on. ;-> Seriously now, have you considered you might have some spyware? Is this a Windows system or Linux? -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- For everything else *COUGH*commercials*COUGH* there's "ManningCard" From whittake at sbaflorida.com Thu Nov 17 13:38:57 2005 From: whittake at sbaflorida.com (Homer Whittaker) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:25 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Smmmmearing on several applications In-Reply-To: <1132238251.5042.30.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <200511151706.37412.whittake@sbaflorida.com> <1132238251.5042.30.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <437CCE41.1010903@sbaflorida.com> Bryan J. Smith wrote: >On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 17:06 -0500, Homer Whittaker wrote: > > >>Apparently I am loosing one of my cards or the mother board. >>While using several different browsers, Firefox and also Mozilla >>the page I am working with starts to smear and seems to have >>numerous background verbage, pictures, and just straight >>smearing. The latest time was when I was writing a letter in >>OpenOffice and it smeared on me to the point that I could not >>finish (lost) the letter I was writing. >>Any thoughts as to what it might be? >> >> > >Sounds like Homie hit a couple porno sites with the Javascriptie on. >;-> > >Seriously now, have you considered you might have some spyware? >Is this a Windows system or Linux? > > I have Debian-2.4 kernel and Debian-2.6 kernel on this Debian only box. It smears on just about everything except Thunderbird Mail Client. Especially bad on the Mozilla browser. If it is spyware how do I get rid of it? Homer > > > From whittake at sbaflorida.com Thu Nov 17 16:03:18 2005 From: whittake at sbaflorida.com (Homer Whittaker) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Pc_Support] Smmmmearing on several applications] Message-ID: <437CF016.2040608@sbaflorida.com> I have searched extensively for a Linux program to find and eliminate spyware without too much luck. All to almost all are Windows based. I did find one, Aluria that sounded like it would do the job but it ran and ran and ran without much response. Shortly after running it a window came up and said that I did have a virus but did not provide any clue as to how to get rid of it. Anyone know of a virus remover for Linux? Assuming that the Aluria program knows of where it speaks? If no joy with virus remover, what is my next step? It seems to me that if I backup the currently installed "stuff" I would only be moving the virus to the backup and from there to a newly installed Debian. Any and all suggestions would be welcome. Homer -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Pc_Support] Smmmmearing on several applications Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:38:57 -0500 From: Homer Whittaker Reply-To: This is the PC Support list. To: This is the PC Support list. References: <200511151706.37412.whittake@sbaflorida.com> <1132238251.5042.30.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Bryan J. Smith wrote: >On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 17:06 -0500, Homer Whittaker wrote: > > >>Apparently I am loosing one of my cards or the mother board. >>While using several different browsers, Firefox and also Mozilla >>the page I am working with starts to smear and seems to have >>numerous background verbage, pictures, and just straight >>smearing. The latest time was when I was writing a letter in >>OpenOffice and it smeared on me to the point that I could not >>finish (lost) the letter I was writing. >>Any thoughts as to what it might be? >> >> > >Sounds like Homie hit a couple porno sites with the Javascriptie on. >;-> > >Seriously now, have you considered you might have some spyware? >Is this a Windows system or Linux? > > I have Debian-2.4 kernel and Debian-2.6 kernel on this Debian only box. It smears on just about everything except Thunderbird Mail Client. Especially bad on the Mozilla browser. If it is spyware how do I get rid of it? Homer > > > _______________________________________________ Pc_support mailing list Pc_support@matrixlist.com http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support From pberry2 at cfl.rr.com Thu Nov 17 10:04:16 2005 From: pberry2 at cfl.rr.com (Linux User patrick) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Smmmmearing on several applications In-Reply-To: <437CCE41.1010903@sbaflorida.com> References: <200511151706.37412.whittake@sbaflorida.com> <1132238251.5042.30.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <437CCE41.1010903@sbaflorida.com> Message-ID: <437C9BF0.7020500@cfl.rr.com> Homer Whittaker wrote: > Bryan J. Smith wrote: > >> On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 17:06 -0500, Homer Whittaker wrote: >> >> >>> Apparently I am loosing one of my cards or the mother board. While >>> using several different browsers, Firefox and also Mozilla the page >>> I am working with starts to smear and seems to have numerous >>> background verbage, pictures, and just straight smearing. The >>> latest time was when I was writing a letter in OpenOffice and it >>> smeared on me to the point that I could not finish (lost) the letter >>> I was writing. >>> Any thoughts as to what it might be? >>> >> >> >> Sounds like Homie hit a couple porno sites with the Javascriptie on. >> ;-> >> >> Seriously now, have you considered you might have some spyware? >> Is this a Windows system or Linux? >> >> > I have Debian-2.4 kernel and Debian-2.6 kernel on this Debian only > box. It smears on just about everything except Thunderbird Mail > Client. Especially bad on the Mozilla browser. > > If it is spyware how do I get rid of it? > Homer > >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pc_support mailing list > Pc_support@matrixlist.com > http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support > It is probably NOT spyware... Your video RAM is failing. Change out the video card. -- __________________ There are NO 'new' questions! Did you first search: http://scroogle.com http://kartoo.com http://lugww.counter.li.org http://yolinux.com http://linuxiso.org http://distrowatch.com http://www.linuxquestions.org http://livecdlist.com From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Nov 17 17:17:15 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Pc_Support] Smmmmearing on several applications] In-Reply-To: <437CF016.2040608@sbaflorida.com> Message-ID: <20051117221715.75002.qmail@web34108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Homer Whittaker wrote: > I have searched extensively for a Linux program to find and > eliminate spyware without too much luck. All to almost all > are Windows based. I did find one, Aluria that sounded like > it would do the job but it ran and ran and ran without much > response. It might be something that only affects Firefox after you run it. Javascript exploits are typical in that fashion -- yes, even on Linux. What version of Firefox (or Mozilla) are you running? (use Help -> About) BTW, did you upgrade your kernel recently? If so, what video driver are you using for what card? Is it still a Matrox (I'm a bit ignorant on how their drivers work)? -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From philb at philb.us Thu Nov 17 17:42:53 2005 From: philb at philb.us (Phil Barnett) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Pc_Support] Smmmmearing on several applications] In-Reply-To: <437CF016.2040608@sbaflorida.com> References: <437CF016.2040608@sbaflorida.com> Message-ID: <200511171742.53490.philb@philb.us> On Thursday 17 November 2005 04:03 pm, Homer Whittaker wrote: > I have searched extensively for a Linux program to find and eliminate > spyware without too much luck. All to almost all are Windows based. I > did find one, Aluria that sounded like it would do the job but it ran > and ran and ran without much response. > Shortly after running it a window came up and said that I did have a > virus but did not provide any clue as to how to get rid of it. > > Anyone know of a virus remover for Linux? Assuming that the Aluria > program knows of where it speaks? > > If no joy with virus remover, what is my next step? It seems to me that > if I backup the currently installed "stuff" I would only be moving the > virus to the backup and from there to a newly installed Debian. Any and > all suggestions would be welcome. First thing... Download chkrootkit and run it. -- "In communism, man exploits man. In capitalism, it's the other way around." From ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net Thu Nov 17 20:19:03 2005 From: ozz at ozz.is-a-geek.net (Austin Denyer (Ozz)) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] RAID Message-ID: <20051117201903.369bb946.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> Scenario: Tyan K8WE mainboard with built-in nVidia SATAII RAID controller. RAID not configured in BIOS. 2 identical SATAII hard drives, one partitioned and formatted for Linux (Debian AMD64, 2.6.14-2 kernel) the other drive blank. Is it possible to set up RAID-1 mirroring on this (either using the on-board controller or software) without blatting and re-installing the o/s? If so, how would I go about it? Any pointers to a good how-to would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Ozz. From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Nov 17 20:25:07 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] RAID In-Reply-To: <20051117201903.369bb946.ozz@ozz.is-a-geek.net> Message-ID: <20051118012507.92679.qmail@web34106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "Austin (Ozz) Denyer" wrote: > Scenario: > Tyan K8WE mainboard with built-in nVidia SATAII RAID > controller. FRAID. > RAID not configured in BIOS. Not that it matters, once the 32/64-bit OS boots, it's 100% in software. The 32/64-bit OS sees the raw ATA channels at all times. > 2 identical SATAII hard drives, one partitioned and > formatted for Linux (Debian AMD64, 2.6.14-2 kernel) the other > drive blank. > Is it possible to set up RAID-1 mirroring on this (either > using the on-board controller No RAID controller, 100% FRAID (software). > or software) without blatting and re-installing the o/s? Yes and no. Yes, it might be possible to use Linux's MultiDisk (MD) support using the existing filesystems. I've never done so. Another option might be to see if the LVM2/Device-Mapper now has nVidia 4xx series SATA FRAID support. I.e., the current LVM2/Device-Mapper work can read some FRAID mirror/stripe organization and support. So if the BIOS supports mirroring an existing disk, the experimental LVM2/DM work might be able to read it. But I wouldn't trust the current LVM2/DM work. > If so, how would I go about it? Any pointers to a good > how-to would be greatly appreciated. Don't have one for 'ya. I've been using rsync on my 2 SATA drives on my nForce4 mainboard. -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From whittake at sbaflorida.com Thu Nov 17 20:50:46 2005 From: whittake at sbaflorida.com (Homer Whittaker) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Pc_Support] Smmmmearing on several applications] In-Reply-To: <200511171742.53490.philb@philb.us> References: <437CF016.2040608@sbaflorida.com> <200511171742.53490.philb@philb.us> Message-ID: <437D3376.5010108@sbaflorida.com> Phil Barnett wrote: > On Thursday 17 November 2005 04:03 pm, Homer Whittaker wrote: > >>I have searched extensively for a Linux program to find and eliminate >>spyware without too much luck. All to almost all are Windows based. I >>did find one, Aluria that sounded like it would do the job but it ran >>and ran and ran without much response. >>Shortly after running it a window came up and said that I did have a >>virus but did not provide any clue as to how to get rid of it. >> >>Anyone know of a virus remover for Linux? Assuming that the Aluria >>program knows of where it speaks? >> >>If no joy with virus remover, what is my next step? It seems to me that >> if I backup the currently installed "stuff" I would only be moving the >>virus to the backup and from there to a newly installed Debian. Any and >>all suggestions would be welcome. > > > First thing... > > Download chkrootkit and run it. Wow! Nice. And it reported "nothing found" and "not infected" all the way. Nice to know, and I did put it in cron. The Checking 'Z2' ... user root deleted or never loged from lastlog! Thanks Phil. For all on LEAP the following is the results from chkrootkit. Nice to know. sbaflorida:/home/whittake# chkrootkit ROOTDIR is `/' Checking `amd'... not infected Checking `basename'... not infected Checking `biff'... not found Checking `chfn'... not infected Checking `chsh'... not infected Checking `cron'... not infected Checking `date'... not infected Checking `du'... not infected Checking `dirname'... not infected Checking `echo'... not infected Checking `egrep'... not infected Checking `env'... not infected Checking `find'... not infected Checking `fingerd'... not infected Checking `gpm'... not found Checking `grep'... not infected Checking `hdparm'... not found Checking `su'... not infected Checking `ifconfig'... not infected Checking `inetd'... not infected Checking `inetdconf'... not infected Checking `identd'... not found Checking `init'... not infected Checking `killall'... not infected Checking `ldsopreload'... not infected Checking `login'... not infected Checking `ls'... not infected Checking `lsof'... not infected Checking `mail'... not infected Checking `mingetty'... not found Checking `netstat'... not infected Checking `named'... not infected Checking `passwd'... not infected Checking `pidof'... not infected Checking `pop2'... not found Checking `pop3'... not found Checking `ps'... not infected Checking `pstree'... not infected Checking `rpcinfo'... not infected Checking `rlogind'... not found Checking `rshd'... not found Checking `slogin'... not infected Checking `sendmail'... not infected Checking `sshd'... not infected Checking `syslogd'... not infected Checking `tar'... not infected Checking `tcpd'... not infected Checking `tcpdump'... not infected Checking `top'... not infected Checking `telnetd'... not found Checking `timed'... not found Checking `traceroute'... not infected Checking `vdir'... not infected Checking `w'... not infected Checking `write'... not infected Checking `aliens'... no suspect files Searching for sniffer's logs, it may take a while... nothing found Searching for HiDrootkit's default dir... nothing found Searching for t0rn's default files and dirs... nothing found Searching for t0rn's v8 defaults... nothing found Searching for Lion Worm default files and dirs... nothing found Searching for RSHA's default files and dir... nothing found Searching for RH-Sharpe's default files... nothing found Searching for Ambient's rootkit (ark) default files and dirs... nothing found Searching for suspicious files and dirs, it may take a while... /usr/lib/GNUstep/System/.GNUsteprc Searching for LPD Worm files and dirs... nothing found Searching for Ramen Worm files and dirs... nothing found Searching for Maniac files and dirs... nothing found Searching for RK17 files and dirs... nothing found Searching for Ducoci rootkit... nothing found Searching for Adore Worm... nothing found Searching for ShitC Worm... nothing found Searching for Omega Worm... nothing found Searching for Sadmind/IIS Worm... nothing found Searching for MonKit... nothing found Searching for Showtee... nothing found Searching for OpticKit... nothing found Searching for T.R.K... nothing found Searching for Mithra... nothing found Searching for OBSD rk v1... nothing found Searching for LOC rootkit... nothing found Searching for Romanian rootkit... nothing found Searching for Suckit rootkit... nothing found Searching for Volc rootkit... nothing found Searching for Gold2 rootkit... nothing found Searching for TC2 Worm default files and dirs... nothing found Searching for Anonoying rootkit default files and dirs... nothing found Searching for ZK rootkit default files and dirs... nothing found Searching for ShKit rootkit default files and dirs... nothing found Searching for AjaKit rootkit default files and dirs... nothing found Searching for zaRwT rootkit default files and dirs... nothing found Searching for Madalin rootkit default files... nothing found Searching for anomalies in shell history files... nothing found Checking `asp'... not infected Checking `bindshell'... not infected Checking `lkm'... nothing detected Checking `rexedcs'... not found Checking `sniffer'... lo: PACKET SNIFFER(/usr/sbin/pmacctd[3024]) eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient3[2550], /usr/sbin/arpwatch[3140]) Checking `w55808'... not infected Checking `wted'... nothing deleted Checking `scalper'... not infected Checking `slapper'... not infected Checking `z2'... user root deleted or never loged from lastlog! sbaflorida:/home/whittake# > From whittake at sbaflorida.com Thu Nov 17 20:53:53 2005 From: whittake at sbaflorida.com (Homer Whittaker) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Smmmmearing on several applications In-Reply-To: <437C9BF0.7020500@cfl.rr.com> References: <200511151706.37412.whittake@sbaflorida.com> <1132238251.5042.30.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <437CCE41.1010903@sbaflorida.com> <437C9BF0.7020500@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <437D3431.9050806@sbaflorida.com> If and when the problem returns I will change out the card. Homer Linux User patrick wrote: > Homer Whittaker wrote: > >> Bryan J. Smith wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 17:06 -0500, Homer Whittaker wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Apparently I am loosing one of my cards or the mother board. While >>>> using several different browsers, Firefox and also Mozilla the page >>>> I am working with starts to smear and seems to have numerous >>>> background verbage, pictures, and just straight smearing. The >>>> latest time was when I was writing a letter in OpenOffice and it >>>> smeared on me to the point that I could not finish (lost) the letter >>>> I was writing. >>>> Any thoughts as to what it might be? >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sounds like Homie hit a couple porno sites with the Javascriptie on. >>> ;-> >>> >>> Seriously now, have you considered you might have some spyware? >>> Is this a Windows system or Linux? >>> >>> >> I have Debian-2.4 kernel and Debian-2.6 kernel on this Debian only >> box. It smears on just about everything except Thunderbird Mail >> Client. Especially bad on the Mozilla browser. >> >> If it is spyware how do I get rid of it? >> Homer >> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pc_support mailing list >> Pc_support@matrixlist.com >> http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support >> > It is probably NOT spyware... Your video RAM is failing. Change out > the video card. > From brianashelist at yahoo.com Fri Nov 18 11:34:32 2005 From: brianashelist at yahoo.com (Brian Ashe) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] server for sale Message-ID: <20051118163432.22635.qmail@web34011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, This isn't a server I'm selling but one I found locally. It sounds great and I *wish* I had a reason to buy it but I don't so I'll be good for once and not get it. :-) It's been listed for a while and was recently relisted at a lower price and I figured if anyone could use it, it'd be someone on this list. http://orlando.craigslist.org/sys/111920906.html DL580 Compaq Rackmount Server - $175 Dual Pentium 3/700 MHZ, 1 GB RAM, (4) 9 GB SCSI hard disks, Dual ethernet ports, Raid 5 Controller, Dual Power Supplies. Located near UCF. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From whittake at sbaflorida.com Fri Nov 18 13:29:05 2005 From: whittake at sbaflorida.com (Homer Whittaker) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] server for sale In-Reply-To: <20051118163432.22635.qmail@web34011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051118163432.22635.qmail@web34011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <437E1D71.9000603@sbaflorida.com> Brian: I sent an e-mail to the server ad person asking how to get to see it, etc. The real question, is the server worth while AS A SERVER or will it need other things to make it work correctly. I have never done servers before but for a $175 what can I loose if it is a good training tool. Will I need to get a rack or whatever? Homer Brian Ashe wrote: > Hi all, > > This isn't a server I'm selling but one I found > locally. It sounds great and I *wish* I had a reason > to buy it but I don't so I'll be good for once and not > get it. :-) > > It's been listed for a while and was recently relisted > at a lower price and I figured if anyone could use it, > it'd be someone on this list. > > http://orlando.craigslist.org/sys/111920906.html > > DL580 Compaq Rackmount Server - $175 > > Dual Pentium 3/700 MHZ, 1 GB RAM, (4) 9 GB SCSI hard > disks, Dual ethernet ports, Raid 5 Controller, Dual > Power Supplies. Located near UCF. > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Pc_support mailing list > Pc_support@matrixlist.com > http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support > From b.j.smith at ieee.org Fri Nov 18 13:33:46 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] server for sale In-Reply-To: <20051118163432.22635.qmail@web34011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051118183346.40944.qmail@web34107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Brian Ashe wrote: > Hi all, > This isn't a server I'm selling but one I found > locally. It sounds great and I *wish* I had a reason > to buy it but I don't so I'll be good for once and not > get it. :-) > It's been listed for a while and was recently relisted > at a lower price and I figured if anyone could use it, > it'd be someone on this list. > http://orlando.craigslist.org/sys/111920906.html > DL580 Compaq Rackmount Server - $175 > Dual Pentium 3/700 MHZ, 1 GB RAM, (4) 9 GB SCSI hard > disks, Dual ethernet ports, Raid 5 Controller, Dual > Power Supplies. Located near UCF. I've been seriously considering adding another dual-P3 server (a dedicated Fedora Directory Server separate from main file services) at home, and this would be a _great_ fit! -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From jasonb at edseek.com Fri Nov 18 13:36:22 2005 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] server for sale In-Reply-To: <20051118163432.22635.qmail@web34011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051118163432.22635.qmail@web34011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200511181336.22898.jasonb@edseek.com> On Friday 18 November 2005 11:34, Brian Ashe wrote: > DL580 Compaq Rackmount Server - $175 > > Dual Pentium 3/700 MHZ, 1 GB RAM, (4) 9 GB SCSI hard > disks, Dual ethernet ports, Raid 5 Controller, Dual > Power Supplies. Located near UCF. Odd no one's interested. I'm running a dual P3 system now based on the ServerWorks IIILE chipset and it flies as a server. Far more throughput than a Socket A desktop system setup. Since it's a rackmount, it's likely a 2U and thus will be very _loud_ though. The 1GB of RAM would be quite nice as well, and is likely PC 133 ECC registered. If it works, it's actually a better deal than the $180 I spent last Fall for a desktop with a SuperMicro 370DLE board (maybe it was supposed to be a workstation) which I prompted ripped from the otherwise junk system and put in a dedicated setup with a new case, PSU, more RAM, and such. Sigh. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff From b.j.smith at ieee.org Fri Nov 18 13:59:05 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] server for sale In-Reply-To: <200511181336.22898.jasonb@edseek.com> Message-ID: <20051118185905.32159.qmail@web34101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jason Boxman wrote: > Odd no one's interested. I was, I just sent off my offer (I had some car trouble earlier this morning). > I'm running a dual P3 system now based on the ServerWorks > IIILE chipset and it flies as a server. This one seems to be a IIIHE (can't verify though). > Far more throughput than a Socket A desktop system setup. Or even pre-PCIe platforms (let alone can use PCI64/X). > Since it's a rackmount, it's likely a 2U > and thus will be very _loud_ though. HP's DL series have traditionally been 1-2U for the DL1xx/3xx and 4U for the DL5xx. This is clearly a 4U chassis. > The 1GB of RAM would be quite nice as well, and is likely > PC 133 ECC registered. If it works, it's actually a better > deal than the $180 I spent last Fall for a desktop with a > SuperMicro 370DLE board (maybe it was supposed to be a > workstation) which I prompted ripped from the otherwise > junk system and put in a dedicated setup with a new case, > PSU, more RAM, and such. It all depends on what that SCSI controller is. I'll bet it's an older i960. You might as well use RAID-5 and get maybe 30-40MBps, because RAID-10 ain't gonna net you can better. Lower capacity SCA SCSI drives are cheap, so I'll probably upgrade those drives to 18GB or 36GB for 54-108GB usuable. It's expandable to 2 more processors -- just have to get the modules (CPU/voltage) and CPUs (with a compatible S-Spec). I want to use it as a Fedora Directory Server, among other non-file services (IMAP, etc...). I'll leave the File Server Duties to the system with a 3Ware card and RAID-10 volumes. I'm seriously considering going OpenFiler for that, and this would complement it's non-file server duties nicely. My server UPS is 1400VA, so it can probably support both. -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From b.j.smith at ieee.org Fri Nov 18 14:00:40 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] server for sale In-Reply-To: <437E1D71.9000603@sbaflorida.com> Message-ID: <20051118190040.20572.qmail@web34108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Homer Whittaker wrote: > Brian: I sent an e-mail to the server ad person asking how > to get to see it, etc. The real question, is the server worth > while AS A SERVER or will it need other things to make it work > correctly. Nope. It should work fine with Linux. HP DL series servers don't need anything external. > I have never done servers before but for a $175 what can I > loose if it is a good training tool. It's a great server design, even if 4 years old in design. > Will I need to get a rack or whatever? Nope. -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From b.j.smith at ieee.org Fri Nov 18 14:48:39 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Surprise! XBox 360 shortage! I don't expect even by Christmas ... Message-ID: <20051118194839.69679.qmail@web34107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Microsoft is the laughing stock of the distribution channel. They know how to assert control over it, but they still don't know how to supply it correctly. Oversell, underdeliver, it's gotta be their motto. I _knew_ from Day 1 that Microsoft wouldn't be able to come even close to fulfilling their pre-orders! That's why I didn't bother to pre-order with EB, GameSpot, etc... In fact, I honestly don't expect them to deliver all the pre-orders by Christmas either. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/248871_msftsupply18.htm -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From b.j.smith at ieee.org Fri Nov 18 15:40:44 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Hmmm, Sun Java v. Microsoft in the BluRay v. HD-DVD war? Message-ID: <20051118204044.16298.qmail@web34106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Interesting tidbits in this article about HP possibly supporting HD-DVD. It appears that BluRay is working on a multiplatform, Java-based protection mechanism, while HP wants Microsoft's adopted like it is for HD-DVD. Interesting indeed! http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1888427,00.asp I might just have to research this and, in the end, rethink my views on BluRay. If non-US based Sony is thinking about multi-platform support, including Linux which as always been the base of their dev systems (even for the PS2), and Microsoft is trying to keep certain technologies Windows-only, it would say a lot! Maybe Toshiba HD-DVD doesn't have the Linux consumer in mind after all? -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From philb at philb.us Fri Nov 18 16:14:08 2005 From: philb at philb.us (Phil Barnett) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] server for sale In-Reply-To: <437E1D71.9000603@sbaflorida.com> References: <20051118163432.22635.qmail@web34011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <437E1D71.9000603@sbaflorida.com> Message-ID: <200511181614.08792.philb@philb.us> On Friday 18 November 2005 01:29 pm, Homer Whittaker wrote: > Brian: I sent an e-mail to the server ad person asking how to get to > see it, etc. > The real question, is the server worth while AS A SERVER or will it need > other things to make it work correctly. I have never done servers > before but for a $175 what can I loose if it is a good training tool. > Will I need to get a rack or whatever? This is the big brother to the one I'm colocating right now, which is a dual 400 PII compaq rack mount. Taz4 is currently supporting a dozen mailing lists, several hundred mail boxes and 65 virtually hosted web sites. And it's not having any problems doing so. You can see the CPU usage here: http://www.linuxceptional.com/mrtg/ This machine would easily double that capacity. If mine were struggling, I'd be all over this one. -- "In communism, man exploits man. In capitalism, it's the other way around." From damien at mc-kenna.com Sun Nov 20 12:04:49 2005 From: damien at mc-kenna.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] PCI-Express SATA card for $22 (NCQ, 3gb, etc) Message-ID: <4380ACB1.7070100@mc-kenna.com> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10407&cs_id=1040702&p_id=2530&seq=1&format=2&style= A PCI-Express card which uses the Silicon Image SIL3132 (http://www.siliconimage.com/products/product.aspx?id=32&ptid=1) chipset. Very tempting. -- Damien McKenna, husband, father, geek. damien@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/ From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sun Nov 20 13:53:56 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] PCI-Express SATA card for $22 (NCQ, 3gb, etc) In-Reply-To: <4380ACB1.7070100@mc-kenna.com> References: <4380ACB1.7070100@mc-kenna.com> Message-ID: <1132512836.5019.84.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 12:04 -0500, Damien McKenna wrote: > http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10407&cs_id=1040702&p_id=2530&seq=1&format=2&style= > A PCI-Express card which uses the Silicon Image SIL3132 > (http://www.siliconimage.com/products/product.aspx?id=32&ptid=1) > chipset. Very tempting. And very much FRAID. Use it as a "dumb" SATA card for a PCIe system. That's all it's good for. But at least it _will_ get your storage off your regular PCI bus. If the SATA channels in the PCIe chipset don't already do that. -- Bryan P.S. Most SATA-II cards are _not_ capable of 300MBps (3Gbps), because they are not SATA-IO compliant. Furthermore, NCQ matters little if the OS doesn't have support for the chipset's NCQ. Most don't these days in the Linux world, and it's still kinda marketing in the Windows world too. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- For everything else *COUGH*commercials*COUGH* there's "ManningCard" From damien at mc-kenna.com Sun Nov 20 18:27:10 2005 From: damien at mc-kenna.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] PCI-Express SATA card for $22 (NCQ, 3gb, etc) In-Reply-To: <1132512836.5019.84.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <4380ACB1.7070100@mc-kenna.com> <1132512836.5019.84.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <4381064E.2030905@mc-kenna.com> Bryan J. Smith wrote: >> A PCI-Express card which uses the Silicon Image SIL3132 chipset. Very tempting. >> > And very much FRAID. Use it as a "dumb" SATA card for a PCIe system. > That's all it's good for. > Yep, that's pretty obvious from the price if nothing else. > But at least it _will_ get your storage off your regular PCI bus. > If the SATA channels in the PCIe chipset don't already do that. > It seems to be a bit better than the basic nForce4 though, at least feature-wise. Still, at least it shows that there's finally a market opening up for PCI-Express cards that aren't either video or gig-e adapters. > P.S. Most SATA-II cards are _not_ capable of 300MBps (3Gbps), because > they are not SATA-IO compliant. Ack! > Furthermore, NCQ matters little if the OS doesn't have support for the chipset's NCQ. Most don't these days in the Linux world, and it's still kinda marketing in the Windows world too. > -- Damien McKenna, husband, father, geek. damien@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/ From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sun Nov 20 20:59:54 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] PCI-Express SATA card for $22 (NCQ, 3gb, etc) In-Reply-To: <4381064E.2030905@mc-kenna.com> References: <4380ACB1.7070100@mc-kenna.com> <1132512836.5019.84.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <4381064E.2030905@mc-kenna.com> Message-ID: <1132538394.5019.111.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 18:27 -0500, Damien McKenna wrote: > It seems to be a bit better than the basic nForce4 though, at least > feature-wise. Depends on how "truthful" they are being. ;-> A _lot_ of vendors are claiming NCQ. But not many are actually doing it. And that's just looking at Windows. > Still, at least it shows that there's finally a market opening up for > PCI-Express cards that aren't either video or gig-e adapters. I just wish there was more than 1 vendor with a _true_ hardware SATA RAID card > Ack! Yep, SATA-II v. SATA-IO is USB2.0 v. EHCI all over again. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- For everything else *COUGH*commercials*COUGH* there's "ManningCard" From damien at mc-kenna.com Sun Nov 20 21:02:16 2005 From: damien at mc-kenna.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] PCI-Express SATA card for $22 (NCQ, 3gb, etc) In-Reply-To: <1132538394.5019.111.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <4380ACB1.7070100@mc-kenna.com> <1132512836.5019.84.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <4381064E.2030905@mc-kenna.com> <1132538394.5019.111.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <43812AA8.4090209@mc-kenna.com> Bryan J. Smith wrote: > A _lot_ of vendors are claiming NCQ. But not many are actually doing > it. And that's just looking at Windows. I didn't realize NC was reliant upon software, I thought it was a hardware thing? > SATA-II v. SATA-IO is USB2.0 v. EHCI all over again. Only worse, at least when they would say SUB 2.0 High Speed it really was a 480mbit device, rather than from what you're saying where they're claiming SAT-3gb support but aren't delivering. -- Damien McKenna, husband, father, geek. damien@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/ From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sun Nov 20 21:44:10 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] PCI-Express SATA card for $22 (NCQ, 3gb, etc) In-Reply-To: <43812AA8.4090209@mc-kenna.com> References: <4380ACB1.7070100@mc-kenna.com> <1132512836.5019.84.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <4381064E.2030905@mc-kenna.com> <1132538394.5019.111.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <43812AA8.4090209@mc-kenna.com> Message-ID: <1132541050.5019.158.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 21:02 -0500, Damien McKenna wrote: > I didn't realize NC was reliant upon software, I thought it was a > hardware thing? It is and it isn't. ;-> In SCSI, you have a hardware host (the host adapter), and you have a hardware target (the drive). The host can queue for all targets, and the target can queue and service several commands from the host. In ATA, you do _not_ have a hardware host (the card/bridge is just a bus arbitrator -- the PC is the host), and the integrated drive electronics (IDE) is the target. Even if the target can queue and service several commands from the host, the host _still_ must send/manage those commands. Hence why you need a driver that can do NCQ. That's where the Advanced Host Controller Interface (AHCI) comes in. It's a software specification that _all_ [S]ATA** controllers are supposed to comply to, so a host (the PC) can drive up to 32 different devices (which may be spread over various controllers). [ **BTW, AHCI and NCQ aren't just SerialATA things, they are general ATA standards. AFAIK, there are no [Parallel] ATA cards/targets that implement AHCI/NCQ, but there's nothing technical stopping such. ] > Only worse, at least when they would say SUB 2.0 High Speed it really > was a 480mbit device, rather than from what you're saying where they're > claiming SAT-3gb support but aren't delivering. It's all a marketing game. SATA 3GHz and 6GHz was _supposed_ to require a twisted pair SATA cable. That's why they call it SATA-IO, which does. I haven't seen such a requirement out of alleged SATA-II. So there are SATA-IO complaint SATA-II, and then there's marketed SATA-II. ;-> SAS 3GHz does require twisted pair SATA cables AFAIK, but I haven't seen what the specs/standards are. Of course, SAS 3GHz goes up to 8m, instead of the standard 1m for SATA. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- For everything else *COUGH*commercials*COUGH* there's "ManningCard" From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Mon Nov 21 12:18:39 2005 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Surprise! XBox 360 shortage! I don't expect even byChristmas ... Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D19F18A5@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> It's a marketing tactic. Promote the heck out of it, announce close to the launch date that you there will be limited numbers of the product available for sale therefore stores will be able to sell them at a premium, thus also continuing the hype surrounding the product - it feeds right into the "you get what you pay for" mantra. Of course it didn't work in the SNK Neo Geo days, but those were different days. Interestingly enough, both the game console prices are approaching the NeoGeo's and also the game are starting to get there too (NeoGeo games were over $100 each as they were literally the same games used in the larger arcade machine systems). -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Mon Nov 21 12:20:12 2005 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Hmmm, Sun Java v. Microsoft in the BluRay v. HD-DVD war? Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D19F18A6@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> > Maybe Toshiba HD-DVD doesn't have the Linux consumer in mind > after all? Why should they? Maybe they're content with 90%+ of the market versus the small Linux desktop? Same is true of the companies who sell music in platform-restrictive formats. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Mon Nov 21 15:49:51 2005 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Maxtor 100GB Serial ATA (SATA) drive $99.99 - $65.00rebate Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D19F18B7@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> > Now Maxtor-Quantum is their own fab. > So is Seagate. > So is Hitachi. > Western Digital is basically Hitachi right now (and IBM > before that). So these three/four companies are the only ones to manufacture their own drives? > But most OEM products are sold dirt-cheap for cost, and that > means the worst of the batch. Hence why many only carry a 1 > year warranty. Would you be concerned about OEM drives that still had the full 3-year or 5-year warranties? NewEgg et al have them much cheaper than the retail versions. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Mon Nov 21 15:56:16 2005 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] PSU deals for SLI use? Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D19F18BA@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> A friend is looking for some PSUs for running two SLI rigs. He's going to be running the Geforce 6800GT cards with some IDE drives. Any suggestions on what to look for, besides ensuring that the PSU is ATX 2.0 compatible? Thanks. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.matrixlist.com/pipermail/pc_support/attachments/20051121/96e17eb9/attachment.html From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Nov 21 17:00:05 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Maxtor 100GB Serial ATA (SATA) drive $99.99 - $65.00rebate In-Reply-To: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D19F18B7@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> Message-ID: <20051121220005.87693.qmail@web34103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Damien McKenna wrote: > So these three/four companies are the only ones to > manufacture their own drives? I don't know what Samsung does, but I think they also manufacturer at least some of their models. And there are a handful of others, mostly rebranded from those 3-4. > Would you be concerned about OEM drives that still had the > full 3-year or 5-year warranties? NewEgg et al have them much > cheaper than the retail versions. Just remember that there are standard commodity drives and then those rated for 24x7 operation. If you go OEM, I recommend the ones rated for 24x7 operation -- such as the Seagate NL35 series, Western Digital RE series, etc... -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Nov 21 17:55:34 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] PSU deals for SLI use? In-Reply-To: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D19F18BA@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> Message-ID: <20051121225534.77414.qmail@web34107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Damien McKenna wrote: > A friend is looking for some PSUs for running two SLI rigs. You want the SSI EEB "WS" 6-pin (2x3) connectors (aka "PCIe") on the power supply. Ideally, the power supply should have 3 separate +12V rails (ATX 2.0 PSes have only 2). > He's going to be running the Geforce 6800GT cards Any reason he's not looking at the GeForce 7800GT? They are almost the same price, but much faster. Or just opt for a single GeForce 7800GX, which typically does as well as two GeFore 6800GT cards, if not faster. > with some IDE drives. Any suggestions on what to look for, > besides ensuring that the PSU is ATX 2.0 compatible? Thanks. For low-cost, I'm partial to the Seasonic S12 series. I have the 500W in my MicroATX box. It has all the fix'ns -- from the SSI EEB "Server" 8-pin (4x2) connector to _two_ (2) "WS" (aka PCIe) 6-pin connectors, etc... It, however, is only dual-rail +12V. They have a 600W version too. I know there are some triple-rail +12V PS that start at $150 from Enermax (IIRC). Really consider a triple-rail 550+W for full SLI with 6800/7800 series cards (you can probably get by with a 500W dual-rail +12V for 6600GT). -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Nov 21 18:03:37 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] ASUS A8N-VM CSM (GF6150+nF430) hitting resellers ... Message-ID: <20051121230338.88244.qmail@web34114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just noted the Asus A8N-VM CSM with the GeForce 6150 + nForce 430 combination is hitting various resellers. It's running mid-$80s to mid-$90s. The GeForce 6150 typically has HDTV out as well as a higher clock, and the nForce 430 has more SATA ports as well as typically being paired with a GbE PHY option. Note that there is a _lesser_ Asus A8N-VM "Non-CSM" model that has a stock GeForce 6100 + nForce 410 for around $70. Don't confuse that one with the better CSM model. NewEgg.COM's version (not in-stock): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131570 -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Nov 21 18:10:29 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] PSU deals for SLI use? In-Reply-To: <20051121225534.77414.qmail@web34107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051121231029.97620.qmail@web34111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "Bryan J. Smith" wrote: > For low-cost, I'm partial to the Seasonic S12 series. I > have the 500W in my MicroATX box. It has all the fix'ns -- > from the SSI EEB "Server" 8-pin (4x2) connector to _two_ (2) > "WS" (aka PCIe) 6-pin connectors, etc... It, however, is only > dual-rail +12V. They have a 600W version too. NewEgg.COM pages: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=Go&description=Seasonic+S12 I found eWiz to be significantly cheaper if you don't mind waiting for UPS ground (i.e., NewEgg.COM is worth the FedEx 3-day pricing). > I know there are some triple-rail +12V PS that start at > $150 from Enermax (IIRC). Really consider a triple-rail > 550+W for full SLI with 6800/7800 series cards (you can > probably get by with a 500W dual-rail +12V for 6600GT). NewEgg.COM search for +12V3 ratings: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=Go&description=%2B12V3 -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From pberry2 at cfl.rr.com Mon Nov 21 18:30:31 2005 From: pberry2 at cfl.rr.com (Whaxiac Patrick) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Maxtor 100GB Serial ATA (SATA) drive $99.99 - $65.00rebate In-Reply-To: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D19F18B7@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> References: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D19F18B7@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> Message-ID: <200511211830.31278.pberry2@cfl.rr.com> On Monday 21 November 2005 15:49, Damien McKenna wrote: > > Now Maxtor-Quantum is their own fab. > > So is Seagate. > > So is Hitachi. > > Western Digital is basically Hitachi right now (and IBM > > before that). > > So these three/four companies are the only ones to manufacture their own > drives? > > > But most OEM products are sold dirt-cheap for cost, and that > > means the worst of the batch. Hence why many only carry a 1 > > year warranty. > > Would you be concerned about OEM drives that still had the full 3-year > or 5-year warranties? NewEgg et al have them much cheaper than the > retail versions. Used SCSI Drives still have warrantees, in many cases; SCSI drives usually have 7 years on the warrantees! I buy off of eBay, and try to get 50 Gb drives. Have several 18 Gb SCSI drives. The thing is, the SCSI drives are built to run for 7 years, 24 hours a day, for 265 days, non-stop! If you check the boxes and warrantees of most IDE drives, they are meant to only run 8 hour days (intermittant duty). The SCSI drives do multiple reads/writes, so are better suited for Linux, I believe. Correct me, if I am wrong. -- http://livecdlist.com http://distrowatch.com http://yolinux.com http://safeharbordome.com http://minidome.net http://monolithicdome.com From jasonb at edseek.com Mon Nov 21 18:41:16 2005 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Maxtor 100GB Serial ATA (SATA) drive $99.99 - $65.00rebate In-Reply-To: <200511211830.31278.pberry2@cfl.rr.com> References: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D19F18B7@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> <200511211830.31278.pberry2@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <200511211841.16382.jasonb@edseek.com> On Monday 21 November 2005 18:30, Whaxiac Patrick wrote: > Used SCSI Drives still have warrantees, in many cases; SCSI drives usually > have 7 years on the warrantees! I buy off of eBay, and try to get 50 Gb > drives. Have several 18 Gb SCSI drives. Yeah, that's neat. > The thing is, the SCSI drives are built to run for 7 years, 24 hours a > day, for 265 days, non-stop! If you check the boxes and warrantees of most > IDE drives, they are meant to only run 8 hour days (intermittant duty). > > The SCSI drives do multiple reads/writes, so are better suited for Linux, I > believe. > > Correct me, if I am wrong. SCSI tends to be best when you've got a system with lots of random I/O and lots of users. For single user systems I've had no problems with modern PATA drives. In the future I'll be buying SATA or SATA-II/I/O stuff for my personal systems and probably doing 3Ware SATA RAID on my limited multi-user servers. In short, at least for my individual needs SCSI disks, especially new, are too expensive for marginal gains over commodity SATA disks. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff From jasonb at edseek.com Mon Nov 21 18:15:50 2005 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] PSU deals for SLI use? In-Reply-To: <20051121231029.97620.qmail@web34111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051121231029.97620.qmail@web34111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200511211815.50169.jasonb@edseek.com> On Monday 21 November 2005 18:10, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > NewEgg.COM pages: > http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=Go&description=Seasoni >c+S12 > > I found eWiz to be significantly cheaper if you don't mind > waiting for UPS ground (i.e., NewEgg.COM is worth the FedEx > 3-day pricing). I pick the UPS option for newegg since I always have to sign for FedEx and I am never here! -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Nov 21 19:18:14 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Maxtor 100GB Serial ATA (SATA) drive $99.99 - $65.00rebate In-Reply-To: <200511211830.31278.pberry2@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <20051122001814.16126.qmail@web34114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Whaxiac Patrick wrote: > Used SCSI Drives still have warrantees, in many cases; SCSI > drives usually have 7 years on the warrantees! That's because most are "enterprise" capacities -- typically 18, 36, 73 and 146GB. They are not as leading edge and are manufacturered to much higher tolerances. But note you _can_ get them with ATA/SATA interfaces in more rarer cases. Although also rare are some "commodity" capacity SCSI drives. A few vendors offer them, although not many anymore. I remember Quantum did, with a pretty high failure rate. > I buy off of eBay, and try to get 50 Gb drives. I too have a few 50GB, 3.5" x HH drive LVD U160 SCSI drives. > Have several 18 Gb SCSI drives. > The thing is, the SCSI drives are built to run for 7 years, > 24 hours a day, for 265 days, non-stop! As do the few ATA/SATA models based on them. > If you check the boxes and warrantees of most IDE > drives, they are meant to only run 8 hour days > (intermittant duty). Yes -- typically 5 x 14 maximum -- because most ATA/SATA drives are "commodity" capacity/technology. Although newer "commodity" capacity/technology has gotten significantly better. That's why Seagate offers its new NL35 series, and Western Digital offers the Caviar RE -- both rated for 24x7 operation. > The SCSI drives do multiple reads/writes, so are better > suited for Linux, I believe. Native Command Queuing (NCQ) gives ATA the same queuing capability. Of course, that means you still have to have not only a NCQ capable target (drive), but also a NCQ capable host. In most cases, the PC/OS is the host, which is least ideal -- at least compared to SCSI which has an intelligent host processor in its host adapter. Only 2 vendors out there offer intelligent hardware cards that do NCQ with an intelligent host on-board. The 3Ware Escalade 9550SX series (64-bit ASIC + PowerPC 400 series) and the Areca ARC (IOP33x X-Scale series). > Correct me, if I am wrong. Not wrong, just overly simplifying. -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Nov 21 19:23:01 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] SCSI (parallel) is dead, long live SCSI (serial)! -- WAS: Maxtor 100GB Serial ATA (SATA) drive $99.99 - $65.00rebate In-Reply-To: <200511211841.16382.jasonb@edseek.com> Message-ID: <20051122002301.82545.qmail@web34110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> As I'm quite fond of correcting others (not you Jason), protocol has _nothing_ to do with drive reliability. Parallel busses are _dead_. Serial busses are the future because they scale much, much better. If you haven't read it yet, I urge _everyone_ to read my blog article from awhile back: http://thebs413.blogspot.com/serial_storage_is_future.html > In the future I'll be buying SATA or SATA-II/I/O > stuff for my personal systems and probably doing 3Ware > SATA RAID on my limited multi-user servers. > In short, at least for my individual needs SCSI disks, > especially new, are too expensive for marginal gains over > commodity SATA disks. Or you can just opt for a SAS card next time -- it does both SATA and SAS, while supporting hardware RAID-0, 1 and 1e "for free." The difference between a "serial switch" and a "SCSI-2 host" is getting very, very blurry with SAS. ;-> -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Nov 21 19:24:54 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:26 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: SCSI (parallel) is dead, long live SCSI (serial)! -- corrected link Message-ID: <20051122002454.44735.qmail@web34112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "Bryan J. Smith" wrote: > Parallel busses are _dead_. Serial busses are the future > because they scale much, much better. If you haven't read > it yet, I urge _everyone_ to read my blog article from awhile > back: > http://thebs413.blogspot.com/serial_storage_is_future.html Corrected link: http://thebs413.blogspot.com/2005/08/serial-storage-is-future.html -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From jasonb at edseek.com Mon Nov 21 21:07:02 2005 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: SCSI (parallel) is dead, long live SCSI (serial)! -- WAS: Maxtor 100GB Serial ATA (SATA) drive $99.99 - $65.00rebate In-Reply-To: <20051122002301.82545.qmail@web34110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051122002301.82545.qmail@web34110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200511212107.02505.jasonb@edseek.com> On Monday 21 November 2005 19:23, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > > In the future I'll be buying SATA or SATA-II/I/O > > stuff for my personal systems and probably doing 3Ware > > SATA RAID on my limited multi-user servers. > > In short, at least for my individual needs SCSI disks, > > especially new, are too expensive for marginal gains over > > commodity SATA disks. > > Or you can just opt for a SAS card next time -- it does both > SATA and SAS, while supporting hardware RAID-0, 1 and 1e "for > free." I guess, but I imagine SAS stuff will be quite a bit more expensive than commodity, consumer SATA stuff. I'll probably go with the later due to price. It's good enough for home usage. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff From wam at HiWAAY.net Mon Nov 21 21:33:40 2005 From: wam at HiWAAY.net (William A. Mahaffey III) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Maxtor 100GB Serial ATA (SATA) drive $99.99 - $65.00rebate In-Reply-To: <200511211841.16382.jasonb@edseek.com> References: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D19F18B7@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> <200511211830.31278.pberry2@cfl.rr.com> <200511211841.16382.jasonb@edseek.com> Message-ID: <43828384.2000105@HiWAAY.net> Jason Boxman wrote: >On Monday 21 November 2005 18:30, Whaxiac Patrick wrote: > > > >>Used SCSI Drives still have warrantees, in many cases; SCSI drives usually >>have 7 years on the warrantees! I buy off of eBay, and try to get 50 Gb >>drives. Have several 18 Gb SCSI drives. >> >> > >Yeah, that's neat. > > > >>The thing is, the SCSI drives are built to run for 7 years, 24 hours a >>day, for 265 days, non-stop! If you check the boxes and warrantees of most >>IDE drives, they are meant to only run 8 hour days (intermittant duty). >> >>The SCSI drives do multiple reads/writes, so are better suited for Linux, I >>believe. >> >>Correct me, if I am wrong. >> >> > >SCSI tends to be best when you've got a system with lots of random I/O and >lots of users. For single user systems I've had no problems with modern PATA >drives. In the future I'll be buying SATA or SATA-II/I/O stuff for my >personal systems and probably doing 3Ware SATA RAID on my limited multi-user >servers. > >In short, at least for my individual needs SCSI disks, especially new, are too >expensive for marginal gains over commodity SATA disks. > > > New on the list, can't resist. I have believed for several years that modern HDD's (IDE vs. SCSI) are identical as far as platters, motors, bearings, heads, etc. Only diffs are in the board & hookup's. This is based on some time spent several years scouring Seagate's site for drives for some SGI's, and noticing that MANY basic part #'s (as well as descriptions of components) for IDE & SCSI drives were identical except for 1 letter which distinguished SCSI or IDE. Thus, there should be no discernible difference in longevity, suitability for Linux or not, etc. True/false/other ? -- William A. Mahaffey III --------------------------------------------------------------------- Remember, ignorance is bliss, but willful ignorance is LIBERALISM !!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.matrixlist.com/pipermail/pc_support/attachments/20051121/aff3de64/attachment.html From jasonb at edseek.com Mon Nov 21 21:36:36 2005 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Maxtor 100GB Serial ATA (SATA) drive $99.99 =?iso-8859-1?q?-=09=2465=2E00rebate?= In-Reply-To: <43828384.2000105@HiWAAY.net> References: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D19F18B7@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> <200511211841.16382.jasonb@edseek.com> <43828384.2000105@HiWAAY.net> Message-ID: <200511212136.36846.jasonb@edseek.com> On Monday 21 November 2005 21:33, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > New on the list, can't resist. I have believed for several years that > modern HDD's (IDE vs. SCSI) are identical as far as platters, motors, > bearings, heads, etc. Only diffs are in the board & hookup's. This is > based on some time spent several years scouring Seagate's site for > drives for some SGI's, and noticing that MANY basic part #'s (as well as > descriptions of components) for IDE & SCSI drives were identical except > for 1 letter which distinguished SCSI or IDE. Thus, there should be no > discernible difference in longevity, suitability for Linux or not, etc. > True/false/other ? I think there is a great deal of truth to that. Bryan might be able to elaborate more. It's hard not to think of drives in terms of being SCSI or IDE (inteface type), but a better distinction might be operational rating (24/7 v 14/5 or whatever) or enterprise versus consumer. For example Western Digital's Raptor has the dimensions of a enterprise drive, despite being a consumer/prosumer disk. (36GB and 74GB sizes versus the typical commodity sizes of 80, 120, 200, ect.) I think at the end of the day you just have to look up the particular disk and see if it's rated for the kind of operation you desire, be it 24/7 or just once in a while, and buy the reliability your application desires. In my case I just buy the cheaper drives without the 24/7/365 guarantee and hope they last. Often they do since they may very well be from the same manufacturing process as the higher rated disks, but not tested to the higher standard to fill order requirements for the lower rated disks. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Nov 21 22:20:09 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: SCSI (parallel) is dead, long live SCSI (serial)! -- WAS: Maxtor 100GB Serial ATA (SATA) drive $99.99 - $65.00rebate In-Reply-To: <200511212107.02505.jasonb@edseek.com> References: <20051122002301.82545.qmail@web34110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200511212107.02505.jasonb@edseek.com> Message-ID: <1132629609.5067.9.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 21:07 -0500, Jason Boxman wrote: > I guess, but I imagine SAS stuff will be quite a bit more expensive than > commodity, consumer SATA stuff. Of course! Because SAS still requires a half-way intelligent host and target. It's SCSI-2 protocol. *HOWEVER*, if you're going with an intelligent RAID card anyway, then the new crop of SAS controllers basically include RAID-0, 1 and 1e or 10 for "free." And SAS controllers can use SATA drives too. > I'll probably go with the later due to price. It's good enough for home > usage. SAS gives you all the advantages of SCSI-2, if you want them. At the same time, SAS cards can use SATA drives. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- For everything else *COUGH*commercials*COUGH* there's "ManningCard" From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Nov 21 22:22:21 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Maxtor 100GB Serial ATA (SATA) drive $99.99 - $65.00rebate In-Reply-To: <43828384.2000105@HiWAAY.net> References: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D19F18B7@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> <200511211830.31278.pberry2@cfl.rr.com> <200511211841.16382.jasonb@edseek.com> <43828384.2000105@HiWAAY.net> Message-ID: <1132629741.5067.12.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 20:33 -0600, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > New on the list, can't resist. I have believed for several years that > modern HDD's (IDE vs. SCSI) are identical as far as platters, motors, > bearings, heads, etc. Only diffs are in the board & hookup's. This is > based on some time spent several years scouring Seagate's site for > drives for some SGI's, and noticing that MANY basic part #'s (as well > as descriptions of components) for IDE & SCSI drives were identical > except for 1 letter which distinguished SCSI or IDE. Thus, there > should be no discernible difference in longevity, suitability for > Linux or not, etc. True/false/other ? Drive mechanics _can_ and _do_ match on the "commodity" ATA and SCSI drives. You're essentially paying more for the SCSI target logic. However, there are not many "enterprise" capacity/spindle (18-146GB, 10-15K rpm) drives available in ATA. That's because most people don't want to pay the kind of money for an "enterprise" set of mechanics (let alone reduced capacity). Western Digital and a few others do offer 73GB, 10K rpm drives in SATA -- basically coming off the same line as the SCSI, FC and SAS versions. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- For everything else *COUGH*commercials*COUGH* there's "ManningCard" From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Tue Nov 22 12:50:54 2005 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] WD RE series disclaimer? Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D19F18DA@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> ZipZoomFly mentions the following in their description of the WD RE drives: "Because of the time-limited error recovery feature, this product is intended for server applications and is not recommended for use in desktop systems." http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=101220-3 What gives? -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From b.j.smith at ieee.org Tue Nov 22 13:05:02 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] WD RE series disclaimer? In-Reply-To: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D19F18DA@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> Message-ID: <20051122180502.88385.qmail@web34107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Damien McKenna wrote: > ZipZoomFly mentions the following in their description of > the WD RE drives: > "Because of the time-limited error recovery feature, this > product is intended for server applications and is not > recommended for use in desktop systems." http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=101220-3 > What gives? Remember that commodity hard drives have DRAM buffer. DRAM is a simple cell semiconductor design that leaks power and losses its values if not refreshed. So DRAM sucks a great amount of power to mainatin values. So if a system crashes, and the DRAM buffer isn't properly flushed, unless you bring the system back up rather quickly (like via an automated watch dog timer), the values in DRAM could be lost. And if that happens, the RAID controller with write-back cache on might be left with inconsistent RAID volumes (beyond just the filesystem inconsistency). So this disclaimer is that you just need to be wary about hard drive buffers. It also applies to other commodity drives as well. They are just adding the disclaimer here, because commodity drives don't mitigate the buffer issue as well as enterprise drives. Most enterprise drives either have a little more capacitance to hold DRAM values longer, or use SRAM which is far more expensive, but you get far less. Although there is no silver bullet there either, they can typically hold values longer -- *OR* the SCSI bus can provide power to the DRAM on the drives. -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From b.j.smith at ieee.org Tue Nov 22 13:06:51 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] WD RE series disclaimer? (short answer) Message-ID: <20051122180651.26885.qmail@web34112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Short answer version: They expect you to be providing power to the drive 24x7 to get the benefits of the DRAM recovery after a crash. Desktop systems won't -- but it's no different than any other commodity drive. I guess I started babbling about a half-dozen different concepts. -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From b.j.smith at ieee.org Tue Nov 22 16:05:06 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Quote of the day: "Microsoft making Office open source" Message-ID: <20051122210506.94738.qmail@web34112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gotta hand it to Ziff-Davis' Web Buyer's Guide. They called Microsoft's announcement as "open source." Not only is it not open source, but as we saw with the EMCA standardization of C#/.NET, it doesn't guarantee completeness. I'll believe MS Office 12's XML when I see not only the full spec, but the full spec followed in MS Office 12 itself. ;-> Until then, I'll just consider it another Microsoft created standard that it didn't atop -- much like MS Office 11's XML. -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From b.j.smith at ieee.org Tue Nov 22 17:19:04 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] eVGA GeForce 6600GT 128MB DDR3 AGP x8 for $139 - $20 rebate ... Message-ID: <20051122221905.97068.qmail@web34102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> At NewEgg.COM: http://dealnews.com/deals/e-VGA-n-VIDIA-Ge-Force-6600-GT-AGP-Video-Card-for-119-shipped-after-rebate/101169.html -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers) From jasonb at edseek.com Tue Nov 22 17:33:44 2005 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] eVGA GeForce 6600GT 128MB DDR3 AGP x8 for $139 - $20 rebate ... In-Reply-To: <20051122221905.97068.qmail@web34102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051122221905.97068.qmail@web34102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200511221733.44289.jasonb@edseek.com> On Tuesday 22 November 2005 17:19, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > At NewEgg.COM: > > http://dealnews.com/deals/e-VGA-n-VIDIA-Ge-Force-6600-GT-AGP-Video-Card-for >-119-shipped-after-rebate/101169.html Good deal. After my fiasco over my XFX card I think mine ended up costing me $150 AR when you include all the return shipping and such. It's been a solid performer since I received it, though. You have to hack the BIOS for access to the temperature sensors, so this card isn't for the casual overclocker crowd necessarily. (I've never bothered to overclock any of my hardware -- I'd rather pay a little more for the next model up and be ensured faster performed...) Anyway, at that price I'd pick up the eVGA if you're in the market for an _AGP_ card. If you've already moved to PCIe, that's another story since this isn't a PCIe card... Thanks Bryan! (I stopped reading dealnews as I was spending too much money.) -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff From m9u35g at gmail.com Wed Nov 23 02:22:36 2005 From: m9u35g at gmail.com (Justin M. Keyes) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Quote of the day: "Microsoft making Office open source" In-Reply-To: <20051122210506.94738.qmail@web34112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051122210506.94738.qmail@web34112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46f680d0511222322n67705b8bx39ec60addb3edccd@mail.gmail.com> On 11/22/05, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > Gotta hand it to Ziff-Davis' Web Buyer's Guide. > They called Microsoft's announcement as "open source." > > Not only is it not open source, but as we saw with the EMCA > standardization of C#/.NET, it doesn't guarantee > completeness. What do you mean by "incomplete" specification for .NET? The fact that they didn't include the SDK (ASP.NET, ADO.NET, etc.) ? -- Justin Keyes From b.j.smith at ieee.org Wed Nov 23 03:08:26 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Quote of the day: "Microsoft making Office open source" In-Reply-To: <46f680d0511222322n67705b8bx39ec60addb3edccd@mail.gmail.com> References: <20051122210506.94738.qmail@web34112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46f680d0511222322n67705b8bx39ec60addb3edccd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1132733306.5023.33.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Wed, 2005-11-23 at 02:22 -0500, Justin M. Keyes wrote: > What do you mean by "incomplete" specification for .NET? The fact that > they didn't include the SDK (ASP.NET, ADO.NET, etc.) ? No, there are various aspects of the architecture that Mono has implemented that are not in the ECMA spec. Miguel and others talked about this in an interview a year ago. Without various support they've added outside of the ECMA, Mono programs won't run on Windows. They maintain a strict separation between the ECMA and non-ECMA components so they can do without the latter if it becomes that legal issue. That's one the reasons Red Hat has some legal concerns about with Mono (which I still think are overblown). I'll try to dig up the interview I read that in. It also pointed to a FAQ. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- For everything else *COUGH*commercials*COUGH* there's "ManningCard" From hubbardjw at charter.net Wed Nov 23 16:28:34 2005 From: hubbardjw at charter.net (Jerry W. Hubbard) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Dell Color Laser Printer 3100cn Message-ID: <4384DF02.9070306@charter.net> Has anyone seen a good deal on the Dell Color Laser Printer 3100cn? The ones that were discussed a month on so ago have expired (dealnews.com). The best I found on Google's first two pages was $349.00 from Dell. I also tried newegg.com. I know, "you snooze you loose." :) -- Jerry Hubbard hubbardjw@charter.net From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Nov 24 14:24:49 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Is it really 1080p or does it only do 720p/1080i? Message-ID: <1132860289.5023.58.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Good article on newer models that claim 1080p from may of this year: http://ultimateavmag.com/news/052305toshiba/ It includes a discussion on the TI chips behind the technology, and whey are and are not capable of. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- For everything else *COUGH*commercials*COUGH* there's "ManningCard" From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Nov 24 20:12:22 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] PNY GeForce 6600GT for $139 shipped - $40 rebate ... Message-ID: <1132881142.5023.112.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> NewEgg.COM is offering the PNY GeForce 6600GT 128MB DDR3 AGP card with dual-DVI (plus S-Video out) for $139 shipped minus a $40 rebate ($99 AR). http://dealnews.com/deals/PNY-n-VIDIA-Ge-Force-6600-GT-128-MB-AGP-Video-Card-w-dual-DVI-for-99-shipped-after-rebate/101311.html?ref=dndaily BTW, I've noticed several store circulars are offering the GeForce 6200 128MB and even 256MB DDR AGP cards for under $100 or so -- as low as $69 AR (IIRC). Ironically, they are offering the GeForce FX5500s for the same price, which is a heck of a lot crappier card, and still requires AGP 3.0 IIRC (just like the 6000 series). -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- For everything else *COUGH*commercials*COUGH* there's "ManningCard" From richjob at jobity.com Thu Nov 24 22:07:33 2005 From: richjob at jobity.com (Richard Jobity) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] PNY GeForce 6600GT for $139 shipped - $40 rebate ... In-Reply-To: <1132881142.5023.112.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <1132881142.5023.112.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <43867FF5.7070103@jobity.com> Bryan J. Smith wrote: > NewEgg.COM is offering the PNY GeForce 6600GT 128MB DDR3 AGP card with > dual-DVI (plus S-Video out) for $139 shipped minus a $40 rebate ($99 > AR). > http://dealnews.com/deals/PNY-n-VIDIA-Ge-Force-6600-GT-128-MB-AGP-Video-Card-w-dual-DVI-for-99-shipped-after-rebate/101311.html?ref=dndaily > > > BTW, I've noticed several store circulars are offering the GeForce 6200 > 128MB and even 256MB DDR AGP cards for under $100 or so -- as low as $69 > AR (IIRC). Ironically, they are offering the GeForce FX5500s for the > same price, which is a heck of a lot crappier card, and still requires > AGP 3.0 IIRC (just like the 6000 series). > > Hi. Longtime lurker, first post. Is there that much of a difference between the 64-bit variants of the 6200 AGP and the 128-bit ones? Apart from less memory bandwidth, is the real-world use affected that much? -rj From hescominsoon at emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Fri Nov 25 10:20:27 2005 From: hescominsoon at emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] PNY GeForce 6600GT for $139 shipped - $40 rebate ... In-Reply-To: <43867FF5.7070103@jobity.com> References: <1132881142.5023.112.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <43867FF5.7070103@jobity.com> Message-ID: <43872BBB.3060706@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> in a simple answer..yes..by tons. Richard Jobity wrote: > Bryan J. Smith wrote: > >> NewEgg.COM is offering the PNY GeForce 6600GT 128MB DDR3 AGP card with >> dual-DVI (plus S-Video out) for $139 shipped minus a $40 rebate ($99 >> AR). >> http://dealnews.com/deals/PNY-n-VIDIA-Ge-Force-6600-GT-128-MB-AGP-Video-Card-w-dual-DVI-for-99-shipped-after-rebate/101311.html?ref=dndaily >> >> >> BTW, I've noticed several store circulars are offering the GeForce 6200 >> 128MB and even 256MB DDR AGP cards for under $100 or so -- as low as $69 >> AR (IIRC). Ironically, they are offering the GeForce FX5500s for the >> same price, which is a heck of a lot crappier card, and still requires >> AGP 3.0 IIRC (just like the 6000 series). >> >> > > Hi. > > Longtime lurker, first post. > > Is there that much of a difference between the 64-bit variants of the > 6200 AGP and the 128-bit ones? Apart from less memory bandwidth, is the > real-world use affected that much? > > -rj > _______________________________________________ > Pc_support mailing list > Pc_support@matrixlist.com > http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support > -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" CDTT (Certified Duct Tape Technician) Linux user #322099 Machines: 206822 256638 276825 http://counter.li.org/ From jasonb at edseek.com Fri Nov 25 13:14:07 2005 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] PNY GeForce 6600GT for $139 shipped - $40 rebate ... In-Reply-To: <43867FF5.7070103@jobity.com> References: <1132881142.5023.112.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <43867FF5.7070103@jobity.com> Message-ID: <10026.69.69.139.102.1132942447.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> Richard Jobity said: > Bryan J. Smith wrote: >> NewEgg.COM is offering the PNY GeForce 6600GT 128MB DDR3 AGP card with >> dual-DVI (plus S-Video out) for $139 shipped minus a $40 rebate ($99 >> AR). >> http://dealnews.com/deals/PNY-n-VIDIA-Ge-Force-6600-GT-128-MB-AGP-Video-Card-w-dual-DVI-for-99-shipped-after-rebate/101311.html?ref=dndaily >> >> >> BTW, I've noticed several store circulars are offering the GeForce 6200 >> 128MB and even 256MB DDR AGP cards for under $100 or so -- as low as $69 >> AR (IIRC). Ironically, they are offering the GeForce FX5500s for the >> same price, which is a heck of a lot crappier card, and still requires >> AGP 3.0 IIRC (just like the 6000 series). >> >> > > Hi. > > Longtime lurker, first post. > > Is there that much of a difference between the 64-bit variants of the > 6200 AGP and the 128-bit ones? Apart from less memory bandwidth, is the > real-world use affected that much? >From my experiences with a crippled ATI 9600 SE (was 64-bit versus 128-bit for non SE version) I would say a resounding yes for 3D. The memory clock speed and bandwidth is more important than the GPU speed even. 64/128 is a big jump. I don't know about 256 though. From hescominsoon at emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Fri Nov 25 19:02:12 2005 From: hescominsoon at emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] PNY GeForce 6600GT for $139 shipped - $40 rebate ... In-Reply-To: <10026.69.69.139.102.1132942447.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> References: <1132881142.5023.112.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <43867FF5.7070103@jobity.com> <10026.69.69.139.102.1132942447.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> Message-ID: <4387A604.5040106@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> yes 128 to 256 is a good jump as well. #d is all about memory bandwidth and higher clocked memory is one portion..a fat pipe to and from memory is the other part..:) Jason Boxman wrote: > Richard Jobity said: > >>Bryan J. Smith wrote: >> >>>NewEgg.COM is offering the PNY GeForce 6600GT 128MB DDR3 AGP card with >>>dual-DVI (plus S-Video out) for $139 shipped minus a $40 rebate ($99 >>>AR). >>>http://dealnews.com/deals/PNY-n-VIDIA-Ge-Force-6600-GT-128-MB-AGP-Video-Card-w-dual-DVI-for-99-shipped-after-rebate/101311.html?ref=dndaily >>> >>> >>>BTW, I've noticed several store circulars are offering the GeForce 6200 >>>128MB and even 256MB DDR AGP cards for under $100 or so -- as low as $69 >>>AR (IIRC). Ironically, they are offering the GeForce FX5500s for the >>>same price, which is a heck of a lot crappier card, and still requires >>>AGP 3.0 IIRC (just like the 6000 series). >>> >>> >> >>Hi. >> >>Longtime lurker, first post. >> >>Is there that much of a difference between the 64-bit variants of the >>6200 AGP and the 128-bit ones? Apart from less memory bandwidth, is the >> real-world use affected that much? > > >>From my experiences with a crippled ATI 9600 SE (was 64-bit versus 128-bit > for non SE version) I would say a resounding yes for 3D. The memory clock > speed and bandwidth is more important than the GPU speed even. 64/128 is a > big jump. I don't know about 256 though. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pc_support mailing list > Pc_support@matrixlist.com > http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support > -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" CDTT (Certified Duct Tape Technician) Linux user #322099 Machines: 206822 256638 276825 http://counter.li.org/ From b.j.smith at ieee.org Fri Nov 25 23:11:29 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Toshiba 46HM95 (46" 720p DLP Projection w/ATSC, CableCARD, IEEE1394, etc...) ... Message-ID: <1132978290.5023.220.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Well, I finally gave in and got the Toshiba 46HM95 that was on-sale at Best Buy for $1,499 out-the-door ($2,199 list, $1,999 normal Best Buy price -- typically $1,600-2,100 mail order + $150-250 shipping). It's the smallest (46") of their 720p DLP projecttion models (also in 52" and 62"), but has all the next-gen features like a built-in ATSC, QAM (including CableCard), IEEE1394, HDMI, etc... I've been reading that a lot of the new 1080p models are not really 1080p, but I'm tired of waiting on a new TV. I want something that will last me the next 3-4 years until 1080p really takes off. They didn't have them in the stock, you had to order them from the warehouse. So I'm still waiting on the unit. One thing I'm going back and forth on is the extended warranty. Best Buy wants a steep $399 for a 4-year (from date of purchase) and offers _nothing_ more (which I think is a "flat price" on those under $2,500). Clark Howard definitely recommends against store extended warranties, but the sales guy said their plan covers bulb replacement. I wasn't sure if I believed him. I'm looking at RepairMaster who would only charge $179 for a 4-year extended warranty from the end of the manufacturer's (which is 1 year parts and labor). They also offer a 3-year bulb replacement (from date of purchase) for $249. Bulbs are $199 for these Toshiba DLPs. I'm considering just going my first year, then opting for the RepairMaster 4-year extended and doing my own bulb replacements. I'll try to keep the TV off when I'm not watching, which is not too much since my wife and I don't have kids. Your'alls thoughts? -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- For everything else *COUGH*commercials*COUGH* there's "ManningCard" From b.j.smith at ieee.org Fri Nov 25 23:15:41 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] GeForce 6200 and DDR bus width -- WAS: PNY GeForce 6600GT for $139 shipped - $40 rebate ... In-Reply-To: <4387A604.5040106@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <1132881142.5023.112.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <43867FF5.7070103@jobity.com> <10026.69.69.139.102.1132942447.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <4387A604.5040106@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <1132978541.5023.225.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Jason Boxman wrote: > From my experiences with a crippled ATI 9600 SE (was 64-bit versus 128-bit > for non SE version) I would say a resounding yes for 3D. The memory clock > speed and bandwidth is more important than the GPU speed even. 64/128 is a > big jump. I don't know about 256 though. William Warren wrote: > yes 128 to 256 is a good jump as well. #d is all about memory bandwidth > and higher clocked memory is one portion..a fat pipe to and from memory > is the other part..:) Yes, I should have pointed out that nVidia does _not_ enforce any width requirement on the GeForce 6200. It's not uncommon to not only see 64- bit DDR, but even a trace-lowering 32-bit DDR! Try to strive to find a 128-bit DDR version, although the 64-bit versions are commonplace (with the 32-bit typically only being the measly 16MiB 6200TC models). I've been spoiled with running GeForce 6800GT to 7800GTX models for the last 15+ months. ;-ppp Before that I was using GeForce4 Ti models. Totally skipped the GeForce FX 5xxx series for good reason. ;-> -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- For everything else *COUGH*commercials*COUGH* there's "ManningCard" From richjob at jobity.com Sat Nov 26 08:39:53 2005 From: richjob at jobity.com (Richard Jobity) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] GeForce 6200 and DDR bus width -- WAS: PNY GeForce 6600GT for $139 shipped - $40 rebate ... In-Reply-To: <1132978541.5023.225.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <1132881142.5023.112.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <43867FF5.7070103@jobity.com> <10026.69.69.139.102.1132942447.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <4387A604.5040106@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <1132978541.5023.225.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <438865A9.4080603@jobity.com> Bryan J. Smith wrote: > Jason Boxman wrote: > >>From my experiences with a crippled ATI 9600 SE (was 64-bit versus 128-bit >>for non SE version) I would say a resounding yes for 3D. The memory clock >>speed and bandwidth is more important than the GPU speed even. 64/128 is a >>big jump. I don't know about 256 though. > > > William Warren wrote: > >>yes 128 to 256 is a good jump as well. #d is all about memory bandwidth >>and higher clocked memory is one portion..a fat pipe to and from memory >>is the other part..:) > > > Yes, I should have pointed out that nVidia does _not_ enforce any width > requirement on the GeForce 6200. It's not uncommon to not only see 64- > bit DDR, but even a trace-lowering 32-bit DDR! Try to strive to find a > 128-bit DDR version, although the 64-bit versions are commonplace (with > the 32-bit typically only being the measly 16MiB 6200TC models). > > I've been spoiled with running GeForce 6800GT to 7800GTX models for the > last 15+ months. ;-ppp Before that I was using GeForce4 Ti models. > > Totally skipped the GeForce FX 5xxx series for good reason. ;-> > > Ah. Thanks for the clarification. It makes sense. The 128 bit 6200s are hard to get, though. Even with the 64-bit bus, it still makes a great upgrade for a Geforce FX 5200. *spit* That card is absolutely woeful. I've seen benches that put it faster than the ATI 5500s. The 6600s I've seen locally go for twice the price of the 6200s. (I'm not in the US and Newegg.com doesn't take international credit cards, so I'm out of luck there) Seems that my best bet is to see what the hardcore gamers in my area are selling off. Still faster than what the stores are selling. -rj From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Mon Nov 28 17:17:44 2005 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] PCI sound card suggestions Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D19F1946@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> I'm contemplating getting a PCI sound card and was wondering what was a relatively good, basic card besides the Creative Audigy 2 which I can get for about $45? It is to replace the generic CPU-heavy AC97 I've already got. Thanks. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From whittake at sbaflorida.com Mon Nov 28 19:35:25 2005 From: whittake at sbaflorida.com (Homer Whittaker) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Intruder in my machine --- someplace Message-ID: <438BA24D.6080402@sbaflorida.com> Last week someone apparently got into my machine, picked up my Credit Card number and ordered a bunch of porno from various sites. I noticed something wrong (do not know what made me notice the problem) but I reported it to Pay Pal and my Credit Card company. Sure enough some one had hit some various companies on the net, so they cancelled my then current credit card. They reissued a new one but I am super cautious about using it on the net untill I know absolutely that he has been cleaned off my machine. Any suggestions as to how I can get rid of him for sure? This may have happened when I reported all the smeeeering of my screens last week. I am running Debian as my main machine, a Windows XP print server and working on installing a new AMD64 on another, and my wife's machine has Mandrake 9.0 on it. Homer Whittaker From philb at philb.us Mon Nov 28 23:50:52 2005 From: philb at philb.us (Phil Barnett) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Intruder in my machine --- someplace In-Reply-To: <438BA24D.6080402@sbaflorida.com> References: <438BA24D.6080402@sbaflorida.com> Message-ID: <200511282350.52820.philb@philb.us> On Monday 28 November 2005 07:35 pm, Homer Whittaker wrote: > Last week someone apparently got into my machine, picked up my Credit > Card number and ordered a bunch of porno from various sites. > > I noticed something wrong (do not know what made me notice the problem) > but I reported it to Pay Pal and my Credit Card company. > > Sure enough some one had hit some various companies on the net, so they > cancelled my then current credit card. They reissued a new one but I am > super cautious about using it on the net untill I know absolutely that > he has been cleaned off my machine. > > Any suggestions as to how I can get rid of him for sure? This may have > happened when I reported all the smeeeering of my screens last week. > I am running Debian as my main machine, a Windows XP print server and > working on installing a new AMD64 on another, and my wife's machine has > Mandrake 9.0 on it. Did you ever use that credit card at a restaurant? That's by far the #1 place that your credit card number will be lifted. -- "In communism, man exploits man. In capitalism, it's the other way around." From b.j.smith at ieee.org Tue Nov 29 03:59:00 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] RE: 3DM and Intel Chipsets with PCI-X/64 -- WAS: 3ware RAID controller scripts In-Reply-To: References: <1133156503.5023.389.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <1133254740.5023.486.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 03:17 -0500, Bob Lewkowitz wrote: > Bryan thx. I found that in their manual and I am planning to test that > software along with the CLI program first thing. The 3Ware Device Manager (3DM) is the greatest advantage of 3Ware. The overwhelming majority of disk controllers _fail_ to have good management software for Linux. This is where 3Ware _excels_. 3DM v2 (3DM) ships with the 3Ware 9000 series, but it also works for the 7000/8000 series too. It runs as a service, and provides an HTTPS:// interface on port 1088 by default. From that interface you can find _everything_. You can setup SMTP and other notification, rebuild arrays, safely remove disks, etc... While you don't have to run it, since the on-board intelligence can do everything necessary and still send all the kernel messages, smartd notification (kernel 2.6), etc... (3Ware is _very_ keen on complying with Linux standards -- _unlike_ most other vendors), 3DM2 is too powerful to ignore. BTW, if 3DM2 is running, you can't use the CLI. You have to pick one or the other -- or just shut down the 3DM2 service before running the CLI. > I figured I would ask on the list anyway to see if someone has > customized scripts which do more than the 3ware tools. The 3Ware tools do _everything_. They will send you e-mail alerts on all sorts of issues -- all configurable from the 3DM2 interface. The 3Ware ASIC is _far_more_intelligent_ than just an ATA controller, and can sense issues, failures, etc... far better than the standard smartd of the integrated drive electronics (IDE). > I am in the process of going through the list archives to get more > helpful hints. That is how I learnt about the 3ware suggestion. I have > found that you seem to have a lot of experience with these cards so I > was hoping you could suggest a good Pentium 4 motherboard to use with > them. Get a mainboard with 64-bit PCI (@66MHz) or PCI-X slots (which can do 64-bit @ 66MHz). The 3Ware cards are 3.3V with 5V tolerance, so they will work with either. You do _not_ want to put such a powerful card in a standard PCI slot -- you will saturate the PCI bus and it will be a major bottleneck. > I would have asked this question on the list but it seems that people > there don't seem to like offtopic posts. Yeah, well I've argued that we need a "Practices/Concepts" list, but that always seems to fall on deaf ears (although I prefix any such posts with "[Practices]"). I've also suggested we are large enough to switch to a Linux/Sun-Managers format, but that too falls on deaf ears. I'm considering started an "ELManagers" (Enterprise Linux Managers) list myself, but I'm trying to do that in a way that doesn't piss anyone off. Regardless, I help run a PC Support "anything goes" list here: http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support > I have bought this hardware in bits and pieces so I have the P4 > processors, Processors? (plural?) You _do_ know that Socket-478 and LGA-775 are _uniprocessor_ only, correct? You have to go Socket-603/604 Xeon to get multiprocessor. And sadly enough, it's difficult to find 64-bit PCI or PCI-X in a ServerWorks ServerSet IV or the Intel E7200/7500 (re-branded ServerWorks chipset) on anything but Socket-603/604 Xeon. > raid cards, hard drives but now I'm looking into motherboards. Have > you come across any favorites after playing with these cards? The last Intel platforms I've deployed were Socket-370 Pentium III with ServerWorks ServerSet III. Other than a few Socket-603/604 P4-Xeons with ServerWorks ServerSet IV/E7500, I have _never_ deployed Pentium IV. I've only deployed Opteron since. There are a few PCI-X chipsets Intel had ServerWorks create for Socket-478 and LGA-775 mainboards that are more "server" class: 1) ServerWorks GrandChampion (GC) SL (Entry-Level) Socket-478, 603/604, DDR, PCI-X http://www.broadcom.com/products/Enterprise-Small-Office/SystemI-O-Chips/GC-SL 2) ServerWorks GrandChampion (GC) WS (Workstation) Socket-478, 603/604, DDR, PCI-X http://www.broadcom.com/products/Enterprise-Small-Office/SystemI-O-Chips/GC-WS 3) Intel Enterprise 7210 (E7210) Socket-478, 603/604, DDR, PCI-X http://developer.intel.com/products/chipsets/e7210/ 4) Intel Enterprise 7210 (E7221) LGA-775, DDR2, PCI-X http://developer.intel.com/products/chipsets/e7221/ 5) Intel Enterprise 7210 (E7230) LGA-775 "dual-core", DDR2, PCI-X, PCIe x8 (non-video) http://developer.intel.com/products/chipsets/e7230/ The more enterprise GC-HE (Quad capable), GC-LE and GC-SL chipsets would basically become the foundation of the Intel E7500 server chipsets. They pre-date the introduction of both the E7500 and then the latter, more "entry-level" E7200 series that removed extra PCI-X channels. Although you will typically find the E7210 on the dual or single processor P4-Xeon, there were some Socket-478 mainboards released. The E7221 was designed specifically for LGA-775, and the latest E7230 adds a PCI x8 slot to the PCI-X bus -- clearly the Intel platform equivalent to the new ServerWorks HT1000/HT2000 chipset(s) for Opteron. At NewEgg.COM, if you have Socket-478 Pentium 4s, you will find E7210 mainboards here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=Go&description=E7210 For LGA-775 Pentium 4s, the E7221 mainboards here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=Go&description=E7221 And for LGA-775 "Pentium D" (dual-core), the E7230 mainboards here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=Go&description=E7230 You should _always_ consider the _mainboard_ *FIRST* when building a system, _not_ the processor. The mainboard is the computer -- mainly the chipset and its I/O capabilities. ;-> Please don't do what other people do and complain about the cost of these mainboard ($200-300+). If you want the I/O that can take the 3Ware card, you need PCI-X or at least 64-bit PCI. Do _not_ stick this card in a 32-bit@33MHz PCI slot or you'll be killing both your PCI bus and the cards potential. PCIe disk controllers are few and far between right now (only the Areca is available, and I haven't tested it's Linux abilities yet, although it is promising). If cost is really an issue, consider either an older Pentium III mainboard with a ServerWorks ServerSet III mainboard, or an older (possibly used) Socket-603 P4-Xeon mainboard with a ServerWorks GC-SL chipset if you can find one cheap (most new are $350-600!). I personally have a ServerWorks ServerSet IIILE at home and my 3Ware card is in a 64-bit PCI slot (although the slot is capable of 64-bit @ 66MHz, the card is an older 3Ware that runs 64-bit @ 33MHz). -- Bryan J. Smith mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------ Some things (or athletes) money can't buy. For everything else there's "ManningCard." From b.j.smith at ieee.org Tue Nov 29 06:22:00 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] RE: 3DM and Intel Chipsets with PCI-X/64 -- WAS: 3ware RAID controller scripts In-Reply-To: <1133254740.5023.486.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <1133156503.5023.389.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1133254740.5023.486.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <1133263320.5023.554.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 03:59 -0500, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > At NewEgg.COM, if you have Socket-478 Pentium 4s, you will find E7210 > mainboards here: > http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=Go&description=E7210 > For LGA-775 Pentium 4s, the E7221 mainboards here: > http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=Go&description=E7221 > And for LGA-775 "Pentium D" (dual-core), the E7230 mainboards here: > http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=Go&description=E7230 One final thing to note, some of the boards really "cut corners" on the on-board Gigabit Ethernet (GbE). A few I saw connected the 8254x to the legacy 32-bit@33MHz PCI bus, instead of the PCI-X bus (especially those that use the 32-bit PCI-only 82541) or PCIe in the case of the 7230. Those will _kill_ your PCI I/O at GbE. A few of the 7230-based boards did it "proper" and put in a BCM572x or 8257x PCIe NICs on their own, dedicated PCIe x1 or x4 channels. -- Bryan J. Smith mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------ Some things (or athletes) money can't buy. For everything else there's "ManningCard." From b.j.smith at ieee.org Tue Nov 29 06:24:07 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Opteron 1xx: SuperMicro H8SSL-i (ServerWorks HT1000) with BCM5704 In-Reply-To: <1133108365.5023.335.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <20051109132707.GU2249@leitl.org> <1132998033.5023.254.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <20051126205243.GI2249@leitl.org> <1133048976.5023.302.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <20051127090227.GM2249@leitl.org> <1133108365.5023.335.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <1133263447.5023.558.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Something I posted to the Red Hat AMD list with regards to _avoiding_ the "desktop chipset" (nForce4 Ultra) based Sun X2100 server ... FYI, it was an integrator on this list that turned me on to the SuperMicro H8SSL-i after I mentioned the Broadcom ServerWorks HT1000 chipset. Homepage for the SuperMicro H8SSL-i: http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/motherboard/Opteron/HT1000/H8SSL-i.cfm Manual for the SuperMicro H8SSL-i: http://www.supermicro.com/manuals/motherboard/HT1000/MNL-H8SSL-i.pdf One thing that confuses me is the block diagram on page 1-8 (PDF page 14). It says the dual-GbE LAN (provided by the BCM5704*1* according to the same manual, page 1-8, PDF page 13) is on the PCI-X bus along with the slot, but that it runs at 133MHz. I was not aware that PCI-X [1.0] was capable of running more than 1 device at 133MHz. It could be that it slows down to 100MHz if you put in a PCI-X card. Of course, if you put in a legacy 64-bit@66MHz 3.3V PCI card like a $125 3Ware Escalade 8006-2 (2-channel, true ASIC hardware SATA RAID) or $250 3Ware Escalade 8506-4 (4-channel), then it will run at 66MHz (should auto-detect, although jukmper JPXA1 lets you manually set both options of PCI-X 66MHz or legacy PCI 66MHz). But that is still 0.5GBps for NIC and storage -- 4x standard PCI or a PCIe x1 channel (although the PCIe x1 is bi-directional). According to the BCM5704*1* product brief, each NIC has its own RISC off-loading processor 16KiB of SRAM as well as dual 64KiB RAM packet buffer. You might be eyeing the $50-60 SysKonnect SK-9E21D*2* PCIe x1 NIC, it has a 48KiB RAM packet buffer (no RISC+SRAM off-load engine -- just a "large send off-load"). Even the $125-150+, server-designed PCIe x1 SK-9E21 or PCIe x4 SK-9E21 (PCI-X equivalent SK-9S21 and SK-9S22, respectively) doesn't seem to offer any off-load other than "large send off-load" (can't tell how good, the manual is in French or German and doesn't make any mention of SRAM), only 2x the RAM (per port), 96KiB. *1* Broadcom BCM5704 Product Brief (first page): http://www.broadcom.com/collateral/pb/5704C-PB04-R.pdf *2* SysKonnect SK-9E21D Manual (page 41, PDF page 39): http://www.skd.de/e_en/products/adapters/pcie_desktop/sk-9exxd/docu/Sk-9E21D_E.pdf Some resellers are claiming they are selling the SuperMicro H8SSL-i, although I thought SuperMicro was against that, and only provided it for resellers (largely because of their relationship with Intel). Both are out-of-stock: PC Super Deals: $244.65 http://www.pcsuperdeals.com/Productview.asp?ProductID=fd7ac3dd-0ee2-4ca1-9748-1c6c1b67fad4 Buy.COM: http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=202106965 -- Bryan J. Smith mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------ Some things (or athletes) money can't buy. For everything else there's "ManningCard." From b.j.smith at ieee.org Tue Nov 29 06:30:41 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Opteron 1xx: SuperMicro H8SSL-i (ServerWorks HT1000) with BCM5704 In-Reply-To: <1133263447.5023.558.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <20051109132707.GU2249@leitl.org> <1132998033.5023.254.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <20051126205243.GI2249@leitl.org> <1133048976.5023.302.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <20051127090227.GM2249@leitl.org> <1133108365.5023.335.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1133263447.5023.558.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <1133263841.5023.564.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 06:24 -0500, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > According to the BCM5704*1* product brief, each NIC has its own RISC > off-loading processor 16KiB of SRAM as well as dual 64KiB RAM packet > buffer. You might be eyeing the $50-60 SysKonnect SK-9E21D*2* PCIe x1 > NIC, it has a 48KiB RAM packet buffer (no RISC+SRAM off-load engine -- > just a "large send off-load"). Even the $125-150+, server-designed PCIe > x1 SK-9E21 or PCIe x4 SK-9E21 (PCI-X equivalent SK-9S21 and SK-9S22, > respectively) doesn't seem to offer any off-load other than "large send > off-load" (can't tell how good, the manual is in French or German and > doesn't make any mention of SRAM), only 2x the RAM (per port), 96KiB. Actually, I was doing some research, and it seems that only LSO is supported in the BCM5704 firmware under Linux. And it seems that most "quality" TX/RX designs these days have 16KiB SRAM so they can handle up to 16KiB Jumbo frames. You only need to be careful about the NICs that have only 2-4KiB SRAM TX/RX that can't handle jumbo frames. -- Bryan J. Smith mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------ Some things (or athletes) money can't buy. For everything else there's "ManningCard." From whittake at sbaflorida.com Tue Nov 29 11:16:33 2005 From: whittake at sbaflorida.com (Homer Whittaker) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Intruder in my machine --- someplace In-Reply-To: <200511282350.52820.philb@philb.us> References: <438BA24D.6080402@sbaflorida.com> <200511282350.52820.philb@philb.us> Message-ID: <438C7EE1.6000102@sbaflorida.com> Phil Barnett wrote: > On Monday 28 November 2005 07:35 pm, Homer Whittaker wrote: > >>Last week someone apparently got into my machine, picked up my Credit >>Card number and ordered a bunch of porno from various sites. >> >>I noticed something wrong (do not know what made me notice the problem) >>but I reported it to Pay Pal and my Credit Card company. >> >>Sure enough some one had hit some various companies on the net, so they >>cancelled my then current credit card. They reissued a new one but I am >>super cautious about using it on the net untill I know absolutely that >>he has been cleaned off my machine. >> >>Any suggestions as to how I can get rid of him for sure? This may have >>happened when I reported all the smeeeering of my screens last week. >>I am running Debian as my main machine, a Windows XP print server and >>working on installing a new AMD64 on another, and my wife's machine has >>Mandrake 9.0 on it. > > > Did you ever use that credit card at a restaurant? That's by far the #1 place > that your credit card number will be lifted. Of course. However, the Fraud Department of my Credit Card company picked it up and the charges all seem to be from one identifiable use on my machine. Are you saying that it is doubtfull that someone is lurking on my machine? If so that surely makes my day :) Homer Whittaker > From philb at philb.us Tue Nov 29 22:19:45 2005 From: philb at philb.us (Phil Barnett) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:27 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Intruder in my machine --- someplace In-Reply-To: <438C7EE1.6000102@sbaflorida.com> References: <438BA24D.6080402@sbaflorida.com> <200511282350.52820.philb@philb.us> <438C7EE1.6000102@sbaflorida.com> Message-ID: <200511292219.46046.philb@philb.us> On Tuesday 29 November 2005 11:16 am, Homer Whittaker wrote: > Phil Barnett wrote: > > Did you ever use that credit card at a restaurant? That's by far the #1 > > place that your credit card number will be lifted. > > Of course. However, the Fraud Department of my Credit Card company > picked it up and the charges all seem to be from one identifiable use on > my machine. > > Are you saying that it is doubtfull that someone is lurking on my > machine? If so that surely makes my day :) > Homer Whittaker It's pretty unlikely that there is rogue software or sniffer software running on Linux. I haven't heard of anything in the wild doing that. Without computer forensics doing a complete analysis, there is no way to know. On the other hand, there are dozens of ways that people can trick you into becoming an unwitting accomplice. If the one identifiable use on your machine was a credit card purchase, the vector to the bad guys might be at your machine, between you and the identifiable use and all the way into their infrastructure. If it's on their end, the most likely culprit is a rogue employee doing bad things with their data stream. Another common exploit is for someone to play a man in the middle attack on you. You may think you are going to a real corporate site but you actually have a machine in the middle relaying between you and the real site. They get to steal everything that plays through the data stream. Unfortunately, we don't work/play in a secure environment. Computers and networks were really not designed to be trustable first and everything else second. In fact, security has been trailing computer technology for as long as I can remember. -- "In communism, man exploits man. In capitalism, it's the other way around."