From mflang at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 1 07:50:38 2005 From: mflang at bellsouth.net (Max F Lang) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:01 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Installfest this Saturday! Message-ID: <200506010750.38445.mflang@bellsouth.net> The monthly LEAP Installfest is this Saturday, at Valencia West Campus on Kirkman (MetroWest), Building 7, second floor. It starts about 930 and runs to 430. For more info, please visit the leap-cf Installfest site: Also, the Executive Committee will meet sometime that day. Max, LEAP Prez. From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Thu Jun 2 09:54:21 2005 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:01 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Personal IMAP server on Windows? Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D16784E0@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> I know lots of people do it on Linux/*BSD, but has anyone set up an IMAP server on their Windows computer for local email storage? My wife and I have about half-a-dozen email accounts between us and with now having a web server (Apache 2) running on it I'm considering setting up email to run via IMAP so I can access it using Horde/IMP. There are lots of IMAP servers out there, my main question is how do you get email from outside hosts into the IMAP server? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Thu Jun 2 10:08:04 2005 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:01 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Personal IMAP server on Windows? Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D16784E2@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> http://macallan.club.fr/MMS/index.html seems like a good option. Free POP3/SMTP/IMAP/NNTP server that also features an email grabber for remote email. I think I'll try this one. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Thu Jun 2 11:18:52 2005 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:01 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Personal IMAP server on Windows? Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D16784EE@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> On a related note, this page explains how to set up OpenLDAP to interact with Horde: http://www.redant.ca/consulting/ldap/turba.php This might help too: http://wiki.horde.org/NewLDAPHowTo And finally, OpenLDAP for Windows: http://lucas.bergmans.us/hacks/openldap/ -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Thu Jun 2 11:24:10 2005 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:01 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Personal IMAP server on Windows? Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D16784F2@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> Also, http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t1253.html -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From jasonb at edseek.com Sat Jun 4 14:16:50 2005 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:01 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] DDR DIMM death from processor heat? Message-ID: <4028.192.168.0.13.1117909010.squirrel@localhost> I just upgraded my hard disk and thought I'd mess with my memory timings since I finally rebooted. I found I couldn't use the fastest timings on DIMM 0, and finally I tested it at the most conservative settings to find, to my surprise, that DIMM 0 is having issues. DIMM 1 is fine at any setting. While removing DIMM 0 to replace it, I noticed it was the DIMM socket closest the CPU and it had a fair amount of dust stuck on it on the side facing the CPU HSF. I'm retesting with fastest memory timings now with a replaced DIMM 0, but I imagine they'll all pass. Is it a reasonable possibility that my CPU cooked off my DIMM 0, the socket closet the CPU. It's only about 5cm away. My Thoroughbred-B core XP 1700+ runs at around 49C lately. Sigh. At ~ $40/ea AR for a 512MB running this box with a GB is going to be an expensive habit. Then again, the manner in which this sticked failed memtest86, always test 5 and a specific pattern, who knows how long it's been bad. Perhaps six months, or a year. The box was essentially never unstable. I had a few games crash every few months, but I figured it was the video drivers. Thoughts? Thanks. From thebs413 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 6 15:47:31 2005 From: thebs413 at earthlink.net (Bryan J. Smith ) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:01 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Mactel? Due to product focus? Volume? Yield issues? Other? Message-ID: <32291408.1118087251736.JavaMail.root@wamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Well, it's official, and it kinda shocks even me. I figured Apple might only be toying with the idea, or looking a trial. eWeek's confirmation: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1824695,00.asp But given MacOS X was built for both x86 and PowerPC, and even released public versions through Developer Release 3 (DR3) long ago, it was probably inevitable. I'm just still stratching my head because I thought the IBM PowerPC 970 (G5) was the ultimate balance of efficiency, power/thermal, performance and 64-bit transition. But in reality, I have to assume some serious factors brought Jobs & co. to this point. First off is the product focus. IBM is going to dedicate its fabs to the volume, and that's now PS3 and Xbox 360. I have to assume issue #1 is probably the sheer devalue of Apple's importance. And possibly the entire purpose for the PowerPC variant of the Power-line. Secondly, it could be yield issues, possibly low-power version? The whole dream of the PowerPC 970 (G5) was supposed to be a sub-20W variant at 66% the leading edge desktop version's performance. But that promise is now years old, and both Intel has brought back the Pentium III core in a 21W version at over 2GHz known as Pentium M, while AMD's latest 1.8-2.2GHz (Athlon 64 3000-3500+) Winchester 90nm processors are even faster for only 10W more. Third, it could be other issues like maybe the 64-bit transition. Maybe Jobs was seeing not only a conversion issue by sticking with PowerPC 970 and the Power-lineage to 64-bit, but that there might be a kernelf maturity issue as well. PowerPC 970 was supposed to be a more simplified split 32/64-bit transitional approach than 48-bit/PAE52 "Long Mode" of x86-64 that had to deal with segmentation and compatibility of the translation lookaside buffer (TLB) of i486 on-ward. But now it seems the more likely case is that 64-bit is now well understood on x86-64 (AMD64/EMT64), and Jobs saw its adoption down the line versus what IBM planned to offer in volume, and decided to just kill two transition birds with one stone. Lastly, it could be sheer software optimization and other factors. MacOS X relies on GCC, and that means the optimizations of the even the 32-bit PowerPC target (let alone support of Altivec extensions) continue to lag well behind x86/x86-64. This has been well documented, and it does not seem to be improving anytime soon. All-in-all, the switch to Intel is a bit of a shock, but not without careful consideration. It's hard to beat the economies of scale of x86/x86-64, and IBM's fabrication and volume focus is probably leaving little time to address Apples more limited volume needs. The lack of a portable G5 is probably a sign of this reality, and the 64-bit and GCC issues problem are icing on the cake. Which begs the question, will I be able to run MacOS X on any x86/x86-64 PC? Or will MacOS X only run on x86/x86-64 PCs with a specific hardware/firmware option? Or even better yet, will Apple _finally_ smack the the PC BIOS/firmware as well as Microsoft silly with a _real_, _intelligent_, _independent_ firmware/pre-OS configuration management solution and not stupid, OS version-limited/software-driven firmware ? Hmmm, maybe Intel sees this as a way to finally address that major issue that Microsoft and the PC BIOS/firmware vendors still haven't. And what about AMD systms? If anything, the seemingly Intel-only partnership really and strongly tends to suggest this is a volume-based decision where IBM just isn't going to care. In any case, if it either runs on generic systems (especially AMD), or Apple builds a cool PC for a "few bucks more," I might find myself buying one for a triple boot. And I know I'll probably be running MacOS X as my primary desktop, with Windows for that rare application (if it doesn't run under VirtualPC, which might be free), and the occassional Linux software (if it also doesn't run under VirtualPC). -- Bryan J. Smith mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org From damien at mc-kenna.com Wed Jun 8 19:52:02 2005 From: damien at mc-kenna.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:01 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Quantum DLT4000, three lights flashing Message-ID: <42A784A2.7040507@mc-kenna.com> Three lights have started flashing on our Quantum DLT4000 drive - Using Cleaning Tape (orange), Tape In Use (orange) and Write Protected (red). I'm going to borrow a cleaning tape and run it through the cycle to see if that does anything but it'll be tomorrow before I get that. Anyone have any idea what could be causing this? Thanks. -- Damien McKenna, husband, father, geek. damien@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/ From m9u35g at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 21:50:27 2005 From: m9u35g at gmail.com (Justin M. Keyes) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:01 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] 17" LCDs drop under $200 for DVI, 12ms refresh, 1280x1024, etc... In-Reply-To: <32885557.1116957517952.JavaMail.root@wamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <32885557.1116957517952.JavaMail.root@wamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46f680d050608185054af5a79@mail.gmail.com> On 5/24/05, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > From: "Justin M. Keyes" > > What about this 19" 16ms LCD? > > Is 16ms good for 19"? > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824174024 > > Wow! DVI and 16ms (60Hz) for $249? Not bad. I bought it. It arrived from newegg in less than 48 hours. After using it for a week, I really like it. I'm using DVI for the first time (samsung TFT didn't have DVI), but I don't notice much difference, although the screen is nice and bright and clear. No dead pixels. Max resolution is 1280x1024, which I am using. It's really great for software development. One thing about this monitor (AOpen 19") is that it is very warm for an LCD. My Samsung 15" SynMaster 570V TFT feels almost room temperature on the screen and the vents, whereas this monitor produces noticeable heat. The instruction booklet says power consumption for the AOpen is 55W. For the Samsung, 25W. > Hmmm, I wonder how portable it is? > It looks like short, stocky base with no major flexibility (a good sign). Yep. > It looks like it folds underneath too. It does. > And I only saw a 3-prong power cable, so the AC/DC might be internal. It is. -- Justin Keyes From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Thu Jun 9 16:43:48 2005 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:01 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Yet another technology not in longhorn: improved CLI Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D167862E@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> http://www.betanews.com/article/No_New_Command_Line_for_Longhorn/1118333 463 Yet another technology has been pulled from Longhorn, this time the much vaunted improved command line dubbed Monad. So, is anything left at this stage? -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.matrixlist.com/pipermail/pc_support/attachments/20050609/6c28be4b/attachment.html From thebs413 at earthlink.net Fri Jun 10 13:12:12 2005 From: thebs413 at earthlink.net (Bryan J. Smith ) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:01 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Yet another technology not in longhorn: improved CLI Message-ID: <3410313.1118423532370.JavaMail.root@wamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: Damien McKenna > http://www.betanews.com/article/No_New_Command_Line_for_Longhorn/1118333463 > Yet another technology has been pulled from Longhorn, this time the much > vaunted improved command line dubbed Monad. Damn! I was actually looking forward to that! I was _sincerely_hoping_ that at least the .NET-security designed Monad would make it. It was basically designed as a "complement" to the .NET Indigo services/sandbox. In other words, you would at least have a _good_ CLI environment atop of NT/Win32, something Microsoft could "build on" in the future. Such as a scripting environment that could be "sandboxed." I'm sure the hope would be that ISVs would be a rich environment to take away from the traditional UNIX preference. But no more! > So, is anything left at this stage? No. At this point, I think it's _dead_ just like Cairo. Let's review the WinFX technologies ... - WinFS: _Dead_, just like CarioFS before it RESULT: Still massive issues with 15 year-old NTFS-SAM design, including the fact that NTFS is still tied to the specific NT install that created it. - Avalon: Partial/Delayed to Windows Graphics Foundation (WGF) 2.0 RESULT: WGF 1.0 is DirectX 9, which is largely a software-layered approach (WGF 2.0 is based on DirectX 10 work). So Avalon will feature some eye-candy like Apple's QuartzExtreme, but will _slow_down_ massively, unlike QuartzExtreme - Indigo: Alive, supposedly still-on target RESULT: Win32 will have a "server sandbox" to compete with UNIX and Java application servers. This was expected. - Monad: _Dead_, limited technology re-use RESULT: Some internal service re-use of technologies. E.g., Exchange 12 will benefit from the Monad environment for parsing RFC821/822/etc..., replacing the extremely _buggy_ ESMTP service in current Exchange 5.5 through 2003 releases. Like the promise of "Consumer NT" in NT 4.0 "Cairo" before it, there is _no_ "consumer .NET" platform to be found, which means there is only and extremely limited "sandbox .NET" services. In other words, Microsoft has invented *0* new concepts, with the majority of their only WinFX technology offering in Indigo being almost entirely based on Java 1 (1.0-1.1) and, in the re-license, Java 2 (1.4+). They are the _king_ of *0* innovation. -- Bryan J. Smith mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org From pberry2 at cfl.rr.com Fri Jun 10 13:26:21 2005 From: pberry2 at cfl.rr.com (Wise Linux User) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:01 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Yet another technology not in longhorn: improved CLI In-Reply-To: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D167862E@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> References: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D167862E@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> Message-ID: <200506101326.21443.pberry2@cfl.rr.com> On Thursday 09 June 2005 04:43 pm, Damien McKenna wrote: > http://www.betanews.com/article/No_New_Command_Line_for_Longhorn/1118333 > 463 > > Yet another technology has been pulled from Longhorn, this time the much > vaunted improved command line dubbed Monad. So, is anything left at > this stage? Well, they DID pay the royalties, (long overdue! were due in 1984!), to the Regents of Berkeley UC, for all the BSD ports, in 2004, twenty years late! So, we know that the 'ports' are there! Plus, there is the recently announced virtual OS implementation! That's so it will run Linux in virtual mode? I think that I will simply run Linux on a 64 bit AMD system! But, Microsoft is not going to be competitive in 64 bit systems, for at least 5 YEARS (AFTER the release of Longhorn, in 2007), because, Linux has been doing 64bit systems since 1994, so there are a huge list of Open Source/Linux 64bit apps. already running, already tested, already proven, in the 'Enterprize' corporate environment! Microsoft will need about 1 billion man hours to try to compete with that, and then, of course, everything will be 'sold', still in BETA mode, as is usual for the Microsoft felon (actually, 'leased' is the proper term for what Microsoft does, as described in their EULA!). There is no time left for MS 'Longhorn', AKA 'Shorthorn', even if they throw a LOT of money at it! It is already 2-3 years past promotional hype projections of a release date! -- Check these out: http://knopper.net/knoppix http://livecdlist.com http://distrowatch.com http://yolinux.com http://safeharbordome.com From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Fri Jun 10 13:55:06 2005 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:01 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Mactel? Due to product focus? Volume? Yield issues?Other? Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1678645@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> Reading the trades, as they say, one common thread that also seems to be suggested by their refocusing on the media market (iPod, iTMS, MiniMac) is that they're looking at the video market with a hardware DRM scheme cooked up by Intel which would first be made available in a MiniMac replacement. I suspect an improved BIOS/OpenFirmware replacement would be a requirement for this to properly work, it wouldn't be good if you could just boot an "unlicensed" OS on the system and spool off the data at will. Also, I personally think that frustrations with the G5 is what drove them away. IBM have been very slow with furthering the G5 beyond the initial release. As for Intel vs AMD, I think they probably were given some far reaching roadmaps regarding the Pentium-M successors and are aiming for that, versus the nuclear power station that is the Pentium IV line. Intel are planning a dual-core low-power chip for next year, right around when Steveo said they'd be introducing the first x86 systems. Personally, roadmaps aside, I wish they went for the Athlon64 myself due to it simply being a better system. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Fri Jun 10 14:08:35 2005 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:01 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Yet another technology not in longhorn: improved CLI Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1678646@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> The worst part of Longhorn is the fact it will be paraded around next year as being the best thing on the market, when the main new technology in it will be an improved UI (that runs slow as a dog), which is available for Windows XP anyway. Just like Windows 98 was, for the most part, bug-fixes on Windows 95 with a new IE+interface, Longhorn will be what everyone has to have. Personally I'm playing it by ear. I've got a few programs which are Windows-only, but I've been disappointed by Linux for desktop usage so I'm not going to go back to it just yet. Bryan, care to share more about your Solaris-x86-64 relevations? -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From brianashelist at yahoo.com Fri Jun 10 15:13:15 2005 From: brianashelist at yahoo.com (Brian Ashe) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:01 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] OTA HDTV Message-ID: <20050610191316.63972.qmail@web20023.mail.yahoo.com> I'd really like to build a pcHDTV-based PVR but have one more question before I jump in--what kind of antenna is required to get HDTV broadcasts in and around Orlando? Super-cheap? Moderately priced? Super-'spensive? I'd like to hear from someone who is actually getting over-the-air HDTV broadcasts in the Orlando area since the pcHDTV card only works with OTA broadcasts. URLs for those wondering what the heck I'm talking about: http://www.eff.org/broadcastflag/cookbook/ http://www.linuxis.us/linux/media/howto/linux-htpc/index.html http://www.pchdtv.com/ __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Fri Jun 10 15:22:15 2005 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Game developers speak on Mintel Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D167864B@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> Some interesting comments: http://www.insidemacgames.com/features/view.php?ID=355 -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.matrixlist.com/pipermail/pc_support/attachments/20050610/cfa987f5/attachment.html From thebs413 at earthlink.net Fri Jun 10 16:51:08 2005 From: thebs413 at earthlink.net (Bryan J. Smith ) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Yet another technology not in longhorn: improved CLI Message-ID: <21999107.1118436668707.JavaMail.root@wamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: Damien McKenna > Bryan, care to share more about your Solaris-x86-64 relevations? I haven't seen the published benchmarks, but it appear Solaris tears up every other server OS on Opteron. In talking to a few people, it really has to do with the fact that Linux still has a long way to go on NUMA and multi-point interconnects. I've been getting into the DBUS (Linux) and DTrace (Solaris) stuff, and I'm starting to realize why Linux is still an inferior server OS compared to Solaris. -- Bryan J. Smith mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org From damien at mc-kenna.com Fri Jun 10 20:58:13 2005 From: damien at mc-kenna.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Yet another technology not in longhorn: improved CLI In-Reply-To: <21999107.1118436668707.JavaMail.root@wamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <21999107.1118436668707.JavaMail.root@wamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42AA3725.6040209@mc-kenna.com> Bryan J. Smith wrote: >I haven't seen the published benchmarks, but it appear Solaris tears >up every other server OS on Opteron. > Any benefits on "basic" Athlon64? Do they have nForce4 drivers for it? -- Damien McKenna, husband, father, geek. damien@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/ From b.j.smith at ieee.org Fri Jun 10 21:35:34 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Yet another technology not in longhorn: improved CLI In-Reply-To: <42AA3725.6040209@mc-kenna.com> References: <21999107.1118436668707.JavaMail.root@wamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <42AA3725.6040209@mc-kenna.com> Message-ID: <1118453735.5835.141.camel@bert64.mobile.smithconcepts.com> On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 20:58 -0400, Damien McKenna wrote: > Any benefits on "basic" Athlon64? Uni-processor really doesn't flex the AMD NUMA/HyperTransport design. Not even dual-core does, although dual-core via HyperTransport is better than the 2nd Memory Controller Hub bridged inside of Intel's approach. You have to really get to 2-way or, better yet, 4-way to see Solaris start to plummel Linux's immature NUMA support and lack of partial-mesh of I/O interconnects. The thing about Opteron is that you have the _ultimate_ in "processor affinity." Not just process-memory, but more importantly, I/O and memory-mapped I/O, as it is per-CPU as well. I didn't really think about it until I read the Linux Magazine article (not on-line) which really shows how well Solaris runs on the architecture. People said it was Sun's proprietary box -- not true at all! All standard, "glueless" AMD8000 series HyperTransport tunnels. > Do they have nForce4 drivers for it? No need, it's all PCI interconnects from the standpoint of the software. Only peripheral support would be the consideration. I think Solaris will _always_lag_ Linux when it comes to peripheral drivers. Using it as a workstation is not ideal, Linux will always support far more hardware. But on a server, hmmmm, I'm really wondering if I should go with Linux in the future. At least not until Linux matures on Opteron. And PCI-Express (PCIe) doesn't really offer much over PCI-X on the typical server, at least not yet. So having a nForce Pro chipset versus an AMD8000 series doesn't really matter. But even then, using PCIe cards connected to specific CPUs should still do far better on Solaris, as long as there is a driver. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- It is mathematically impossible for someone who makes more than you to be anything but richer than you. Any tax rate that penalizes them will also penalize you similarly (to those below you, and then below them). Linear algebra, let alone differential calculus or even ele- mentary concepts of limits, is mutually exclusive with US journalism. So forget even attempting to explain how tax cuts work. ;-> From ae4ko at amsat.org Sat Jun 11 00:56:46 2005 From: ae4ko at amsat.org (Aaron Morrison) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] OTA HDTV In-Reply-To: <20050610191316.63972.qmail@web20023.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42AA36CE.32516.15C702@localhost> Not from personal experience mind you -- I don't have any HD equipment, but if you can see analog, you should be able to receive HD. Anyway, I'd try the cheap route first and then go from there. I've got a few pair of rabbit ears floating around -- remind me and I'll bring you a pair. --am On 10 Jun 2005 at 12:13, Brian Ashe wrote: > I'd really like to build a pcHDTV-based PVR but have > one more question before I jump in--what kind of > antenna is required to get HDTV broadcasts in and > around Orlando? Super-cheap? Moderately priced? > Super-'spensive? I'd like to hear from someone who is > actually getting over-the-air HDTV broadcasts in the > Orlando area since the pcHDTV card only works with OTA > broadcasts. > > URLs for those wondering what the heck I'm talking > about: > http://www.eff.org/broadcastflag/cookbook/ > http://www.linuxis.us/linux/media/howto/linux-htpc/index.html > http://www.pchdtv.com/ > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html > > _______________________________________________ > Pc_support mailing list > Pc_support@matrixlist.com > http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support From damien at mc-kenna.com Sat Jun 11 20:34:26 2005 From: damien at mc-kenna.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Quantum DLT4000, three lights flashing In-Reply-To: <42A784A2.7040507@mc-kenna.com> References: <42A784A2.7040507@mc-kenna.com> Message-ID: <42AB8312.1000708@mc-kenna.com> Damien McKenna wrote: > Three lights have started flashing on our Quantum DLT4000 drive - > Using Cleaning Tape (orange), Tape In Use (orange) and Write Protected > (red). I'm going to borrow a cleaning tape and run it through the > cycle to see if that does anything but it'll be tomorrow before I get > that. Anyone have any idea what could be causing this? Thanks. > Anyone have any ideas on this? It stopped yesterday after the system was rebooted, but its at it again tonight after I inserted a tape and I was going to do a backup :-\ -- Damien McKenna, husband, father, geek. damien@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/ From glaiacona at aikencountysc.gov Mon Jun 13 11:36:14 2005 From: glaiacona at aikencountysc.gov (George Laiacona) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Quantum DLT4000, three lights flashing Message-ID: I'd try updating the firmware. Even if you call for service, that's the first thing the tech is going to make you do before starting a trouble ticket. George. >>> damien@mc-kenna.com 06/11/05 8:34 PM >>> Damien McKenna wrote: > Three lights have started flashing on our Quantum DLT4000 drive - > Using Cleaning Tape (orange), Tape In Use (orange) and Write Protected > (red). I'm going to borrow a cleaning tape and run it through the > cycle to see if that does anything but it'll be tomorrow before I get > that. Anyone have any idea what could be causing this? Thanks. > Anyone have any ideas on this? It stopped yesterday after the system was rebooted, but its at it again tonight after I inserted a tape and I was going to do a backup :-\ -- Damien McKenna, husband, father, geek. damien@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/ _______________________________________________ Pc_support mailing list Pc_support@matrixlist.com http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support From thebs413 at earthlink.net Tue Jun 14 16:22:22 2005 From: thebs413 at earthlink.net (Bryan J. Smith ) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Dell 24" LCD 1920x1200 ultra-everything for $899 ... Message-ID: <30795696.1118780542941.JavaMail.root@wamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Okay, this is the motherload for your desk! If you want everything (short of speakers) in a monitor, this is it! - 1920x1200 in 16:10 aspect Also gives you _true_ 1600x1200 in 4:3, 800x600 in 4:3 double-sized. 1920x1200 also means _true_ 1080i (1920x1080) in 16:9 aspect. 12ms (~80Hz) response time - VGA, DVI-D, S-Video, Composite _and_ HD Component It's a monitor, it's a TV, it rules your desktop! - (4) USB 2.0 Hub, 9-in-1 Flash reader, etc... Nice additions, even if no speakers. $899 shipped (plus tax) deal is good until tomorrow: http://dealnews.com/articles/89115.html Damn I'm so tempted. -- Bryan J. Smith mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org From jasonb at edseek.com Tue Jun 14 16:32:44 2005 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Dell 24" LCD 1920x1200 ultra-everything for $899 ... In-Reply-To: <30795696.1118780542941.JavaMail.root@wamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <30795696.1118780542941.JavaMail.root@wamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200506141632.44844.jasonb@edseek.com> Yeah, I just saw one of these in someone's office. Very, very large screen. I like. (Their department has a lot more money...) On Tuesday 14 June 2005 16:22, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > Okay, this is the motherload for your desk! > If you want everything (short of speakers) in a monitor, this is it! > > - 1920x1200 in 16:10 aspect > > Also gives you _true_ 1600x1200 in 4:3, 800x600 in 4:3 double-sized. > 1920x1200 also means _true_ 1080i (1920x1080) in 16:9 aspect. > 12ms (~80Hz) response time > > - VGA, DVI-D, S-Video, Composite _and_ HD Component > > It's a monitor, it's a TV, it rules your desktop! > > - (4) USB 2.0 Hub, 9-in-1 Flash reader, etc... > > Nice additions, even if no speakers. > > $899 shipped (plus tax) deal is good until tomorrow: > http://dealnews.com/articles/89115.html > > Damn I'm so tempted. From b.j.smith at ieee.org Tue Jun 14 19:54:03 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Dell 24" LCD 1920x1200 ultra-everything for $899 ... In-Reply-To: <200506141632.44844.jasonb@edseek.com> References: <30795696.1118780542941.JavaMail.root@wamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <200506141632.44844.jasonb@edseek.com> Message-ID: <1118793243.4417.30.camel@bert64.mobile.smithconcepts.com> On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 16:32 -0400, Jason Boxman wrote: > Yeah, I just saw one of these in someone's office. > Very, very large screen. > I like. (Their department has a lot more money...) Now that's just waste. At work, I'd be happy with just a 19" 4:3 $250 model. No quick refresh or other features are required. It's even more funny when people buy those outrageous LCDs, only to connect them to analog VGA output! -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- It is mathematically impossible for someone who makes more than you to be anything but richer than you. Any tax rate that penalizes them will also penalize you similarly (to those below you, and then below them). Linear algebra, let alone differential calculus or even ele- mentary concepts of limits, is mutually exclusive with US journalism. So forget even attempting to explain how tax cuts work. ;-> From b.j.smith at ieee.org Tue Jun 14 22:01:17 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] 17" LCDs drop under $200 for DVI, 12ms refresh, 1280x1024, etc... In-Reply-To: <46f680d050608185054af5a79@mail.gmail.com> References: <32885557.1116957517952.JavaMail.root@wamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <46f680d050608185054af5a79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1118800877.4417.43.camel@bert64.mobile.smithconcepts.com> On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 21:50 -0400, Justin M. Keyes wrote: > I bought it. It arrived from newegg in less than 48 hours. After using > it for a week, I really like it. I'm using DVI for the first time > (samsung TFT didn't have DVI), but I don't notice much difference, > although the screen is nice and bright and clear. > No dead pixels. Max resolution is 1280x1024, which I am using. It's > really great for software development. > One thing about this monitor (AOpen 19") is that it is very warm for > an LCD. My Samsung 15" SynMaster 570V TFT feels almost room > temperature on the screen and the vents, whereas this monitor produces > noticeable heat. The instruction booklet says power consumption for > the AOpen is 55W. For the Samsung, 25W. How's this LCD working out for you still? I'm probably going to skip on the Dell for now, but I'm wanting to go dual-head again with one head being 16ms refresh or better. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- It is mathematically impossible for someone who makes more than you to be anything but richer than you. Any tax rate that penalizes them will also penalize you similarly (to those below you, and then below them). Linear algebra, let alone differential calculus or even ele- mentary concepts of limits, is mutually exclusive with US journalism. So forget even attempting to explain how tax cuts work. ;-> From damien at mc-kenna.com Wed Jun 15 01:09:42 2005 From: damien at mc-kenna.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Quantum DLT4000, three lights flashing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42AFB816.1000600@mc-kenna.com> George Laiacona wrote: >I'd try updating the firmware. Even if you call for service, that's the first thing the tech is going to make you do before starting a trouble ticket. > > I downloaded "V151D4_1.img" but am not sure what to do with it. Should I burn it to floppy using rawrite and boot with it, or is there some other magical combination? I also tried their DLTSage tool but it doesn't recognize my SCSI card which uses some Advansys chip. I borrowed a cleaning tape but its a DLT1 tape that won't fit, there seems to be an extra tab sticking out at the side blocking it from going in, which is odd when the same tape works on a similar drive at work. So kinda stuck again :-( I'll see what I can do to get an Adaptec SCSI card, but failing that, any ideas? Thanks. -- Damien McKenna, husband, father, geek. damien@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/ From m9u35g at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 09:49:58 2005 From: m9u35g at gmail.com (Justin M. Keyes) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] 17" LCDs drop under $200 for DVI, 12ms refresh, 1280x1024, etc... In-Reply-To: <1118800877.4417.43.camel@bert64.mobile.smithconcepts.com> References: <32885557.1116957517952.JavaMail.root@wamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <46f680d050608185054af5a79@mail.gmail.com> <1118800877.4417.43.camel@bert64.mobile.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <46f680d0506150649558e8fae@mail.gmail.com> On 6/14/05, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 21:50 -0400, Justin M. Keyes wrote: > > I bought it. It arrived from newegg in less than 48 hours. After using > > it for a week, I really like it. I'm using DVI for the first time > > (samsung TFT didn't have DVI), but I don't notice much difference, > > although the screen is nice and bright and clear. > > No dead pixels. Max resolution is 1280x1024, which I am using. It's > > really great for software development. > > One thing about this monitor (AOpen 19") is that it is very warm for > > an LCD. My Samsung 15" SynMaster 570V TFT feels almost room > > temperature on the screen and the vents, whereas this monitor produces > > noticeable heat. The instruction booklet says power consumption for > > the AOpen is 55W. For the Samsung, 25W. > > How's this LCD working out for you still? > I'm probably going to skip on the Dell for now, but I'm wanting to go > dual-head again with one head being 16ms refresh or better. It's still doing well. Only thing I have noticed is that it turns itself back on whenever the linux power management tries to turn it off. -- Justin Keyes From jasonb at edseek.com Thu Jun 16 16:25:39 2005 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Any recommendations on U160 SCSI RAID cards? Message-ID: <200506161625.39349.jasonb@edseek.com> I might be in the market for a Linux friendly SCSI RAID controller for a RAID 5 array of 4 Seagate Cheetah drives. Anyone have any recommendations? Good RAID 5 performance is key. If it has two ports, bonus, because I'll run another 2 Cheetahs in RAID 1 for the OS partitions. (The existing controller only has a single connector and is quite old. 16MB of RAM for RAID 5 is painful.) Thanks! -- Jason Boxman Perl Programmer / *NIX Systems Administrator Shimberg Center for Affordable Housing | University of Florida http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff From thebs413 at earthlink.net Thu Jun 16 18:24:28 2005 From: thebs413 at earthlink.net (Bryan J. Smith ) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Any recommendations on U160 SCSI RAID cards? Message-ID: <32739568.1118960668411.JavaMail.root@wamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: Jason Boxman > I might be in the market for a Linux friendly SCSI RAID controller for a RAID > 5 array of 4 Seagate Cheetah drives. Anyone have any recommendations? New or used? If used, then there are plenty of Mylex eXtremeRAID 1100/2000 cards that are about 5 years old, but still very powerful StrongARM SA110 206MHz Ultra80/Ultra160 2-3 channel cards with 64MB SDRAM or so for maybe $100-250. They will roast and toast anything i960-based. If new, then anything LSI MegaRAID SCSI "X" -- meaning 400MHz+ Intel XScale (Superscalar StrongARM), like the SCSI 320-2X for PCI-X or maybe even the 320-2E for PCIe x8. The latter can go in an SLI mainboard (one PCIe x8 channel for video, the other for the card), or any mainboard that has a good PCIe x4 or x8 slot if you're trying to avoid costs (although the board is $500, the commodity mainboard, CPU and DDR SDRAM will give you a good "bang for the buck"). > Good RAID 5 performance is key. If it has two ports, bonus, because > I'll run another 2 Cheetahs in RAID 1 for the OS partitions. Actually, when it comes to SCSI channels, you should typically span drives of the _same_ volume over _multiple_ channels. I.e., 4 drives with 2 channels means you should have 2 drives on each channel, even (and especially) if they are in the same volume. > (The existing controller only has a single connector and is > quite old. 16MB of RAM for RAID 5 is painful.) Most everything is going to be 128MB+ these days. Maybe older solutions might only be 64MB. But don't bother with anything i960/IOP30x-based. At least go for a XScale/IOP33x, or possibly an older, used SA110-based. -- Bryan J. Smith mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org From jasonb at edseek.com Thu Jun 16 18:37:55 2005 From: jasonb at edseek.com (Jason Boxman) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Any recommendations on U160 SCSI RAID cards? In-Reply-To: <32739568.1118960668411.JavaMail.root@wamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.ne t> References: <32739568.1118960668411.JavaMail.root@wamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1469.192.168.0.13.1118961475.squirrel@localhost> Bryan J. Smith said: > From: Jason Boxman >> I might be in the market for a Linux friendly SCSI RAID controller for a >> RAID >> 5 array of 4 Seagate Cheetah drives. Anyone have any recommendations? > > New or used? New. It's for the office's dual P3 Coppermine setup. It's a ServerWorks III LE deal. This one has a 64/66 and a 64/33 on different channels. It's a 2U case. > If used, then there are plenty of Mylex eXtremeRAID 1100/2000 cards that > are about 5 years old, but still very powerful StrongARM SA110 206MHz > Ultra80/Ultra160 2-3 channel cards with 64MB SDRAM or so for maybe > $100-250. They will roast and toast anything i960-based. > > If new, then anything LSI MegaRAID SCSI "X" -- meaning 400MHz+ > Intel XScale (Superscalar StrongARM), like the SCSI 320-2X for PCI-X > or maybe even the 320-2E for PCIe x8. The latter can go in an SLI > mainboard (one PCIe x8 channel for video, the other for the card), > or any mainboard that has a good PCIe x4 or x8 slot if you're trying > to avoid costs (although the board is $500, the commodity mainboard, > CPU and DDR SDRAM will give you a good "bang for the buck"). Is there anything to be had that'll be happy with a box without PCI-X? I imagine those PCI-X cards are backwards compatible with a 64/66 slot? >> Good RAID 5 performance is key. If it has two ports, bonus, because >> I'll run another 2 Cheetahs in RAID 1 for the OS partitions. > > Actually, when it comes to SCSI channels, you should typically span > drives of the _same_ volume over _multiple_ channels. I.e., 4 drives > with 2 channels means you should have 2 drives on each channel, > even (and especially) if they are in the same volume. In this case, the cable situation is strained. It's hard to get U160 cables that'll fit in this case, since it's an upgrade of an existing rackmount system with regular 68-pin drives and no hot swap bays or plans for any. I won't be able to split the RAID 5 into two cables of two and two drives each due to space and difficulty-of-obtaining-cabling issues. I would leap for joy if I can recycle the existing, five head U160 cable we have so we can run two of the six disks in hardware RAID 1, though. (With a one port SCSI RAID I'd need to do software RAID 1, which is fine with me, but I'd rather just do it via hardware if the option exists.) >> (The existing controller only has a single connector and is >> quite old. 16MB of RAM for RAID 5 is painful.) > > Most everything is going to be 128MB+ these days. Maybe older > solutions might only be 64MB. > > But don't bother with anything i960/IOP30x-based. At least go > for a XScale/IOP33x, or possibly an older, used SA110-based. Sounds good. From thebs413 at earthlink.net Thu Jun 16 18:49:25 2005 From: thebs413 at earthlink.net (Bryan J. Smith ) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Any recommendations on U160 SCSI RAID cards? Message-ID: <2947590.1118962166283.JavaMail.root@wamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: Jason Boxman > New. It's for the office's dual P3 Coppermine setup. It's a ServerWorks > III LE deal. This one has a 64/66 and a 64/33 on different channels. It's > a 2U case. Then the LSI Logic MegaRAID SCSI 320-2X is probably what you want: http://www.lsilogic.com/products/megaraid/scsi_320_2x.html It'll set you back $500, but it's probably worth it if you want performance. > Is there anything to be had that'll be happy with a box without PCI-X? I > imagine those PCI-X cards are backwards compatible with a 64/66 slot? Yes, it is PCI2.2 compatible in a 64@66MHz slot, as well as PCI-X 1.0 compatible in a 64@66/133MHz slot. The only thing is that it needs to be a 3.3V slot, which I think those mainboards are (I'll check). > In this case, the cable situation is strained. It's hard to get U160 cables > that'll fit in this case, since it's an upgrade of an existing rackmount > system with regular 68-pin drives and no hot swap bays or plans for any. > I won't be able to split the RAID 5 into two cables of two and two drives > each due to space and difficulty-of-obtaining-cabling issues. > I would leap for joy if I can recycle the existing, five head U160 cable we > have so we can run two of the six disks in hardware RAID 1, though. Well, you can always plug in things externally. But yeah, I understand your desire. In reality, SCSI LVD UTP cables aren't that much cost-wise. They can be had for $15-30. > (With a one port SCSI RAID I'd need to do software RAID 1, which is fine > with me, but I'd rather just do it via hardware if the option exists.) These things do RAID-50. So you could stripe across two 3-drive RAID-5 volumes for a good combination of throughput and efficiency. I.e., out of 6 drives, you would get 4 drives equivalent, but reads _and_ writes would be interleaved over each channel and 3-disc RAID-5 volume. -- Bryan J. Smith mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org From GrokWeeble at HotPOP.com Wed Jun 22 10:50:45 2005 From: GrokWeeble at HotPOP.com (Mike Webb) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] i586 vs. i686? Message-ID: <42B93475.2926.6BFF8@localhost> Got a simple question, I think. I regularly see the terms "i586" and "i686" in my reading, particularly as part of filenames of Linux ISOs. I've known that they are generally two branches of the Pentium (and work- alike) family of processors, but never had enough curiosity (until now) to find out what the dividing line was. I don't know if it's the absence/presence of the MMX/3DNow! instructions or some later development. Would someone be so kind as to tell me what the difference is between an i586 and an i686? Thanks. -- My Groklaw nym is Weeble. It came from the "Spiderweeb" and "Weeb" kind of nicknames a kid named Webb gets. I never even knew of the Hasbro product until after I started using "Weeble". Take note, any Hasbro attorneys. From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Wed Jun 22 09:54:50 2005 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] i586 vs. i686? Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1678854@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> i586 is the Pentium, Pentium MMX and K5 chips. i686 is the Pentium Pro and anything based off it, including the Pentium 2, Pentium 3, Pentium IV, K6, Athlon, etc. Anyone else want to divulge some details on compatibility between them? -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From thebs413 at earthlink.net Wed Jun 22 10:16:53 2005 From: thebs413 at earthlink.net (Bryan J. Smith ) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] RE: i586 vs. i686? -- i586 is _only_ for _genuine_, original P5 (Pentium/MMX) Message-ID: <25263023.1119449813952.JavaMail.root@wamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: Damien McKenna > i586 is the Pentium, Pentium MMX and K5 chips. > i686 is the Pentium Pro and anything based off it, including the Pentium > 2, Pentium 3, Pentium IV, K6, Athlon, etc. > Anyone else want to divulge some details on compatibility between them? Alan Cox and I discussed this on the Fedora Development list last year. And it just came up on the CentOS yesterday. I made people aware that you should normally _never_ build for i586 _except_ for _true_, _original_ Pentium or Pentium MMX. It's more than the fact that there is no guarantee that a clone is i586 ISA compatible, but i586 optmizations are _detrimental_ to most processors, _including_ Intel's own Pentium Pro, II, III and 4. [ Correction in some posts, I used "--mopt" when I meant "--mtune" ] List of i486 and i686 ISA compatible architectures (1/3rd from top): http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2005-June/007486.html Red Hat's stance (both FC and RHEL) on i586: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2005-June/007510.html i586 marketshare and there is _no_, true "i586 clone": http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2005-June/007514.html More commentary on i586 v. i686 cores and optimizations: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2005-June/007516.html More analysis of Red Hat FC v. RHEL and architecture support: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2005-June/007532.html Noting 500MHz+ i486 cores exist, and x86/PAE36 will still live: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2005-June/007538.html Tangent on the future of OOE/RR/multi-core -> virtual-cores: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2005-June/007544.html Cyrix/IDT/ViA on "cmov" which is optional in i686, but GCC requires. Also a "breakdown" of what arch/tune do what to what processors: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2005-June/007549.html Does rpmbuild --target=i386 turn into gcc --march=i486? http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2005-June/007552.html http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2005-June/007553.html -- Bryan J. Smith mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org From whittake at sbaflorida.com Wed Jun 22 02:22:10 2005 From: whittake at sbaflorida.com (Homer Whittaker) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] i586 vs. i686? In-Reply-To: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1678854@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> References: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1678854@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> Message-ID: <42B90392.80800@sbaflorida.com> Damien McKenna wrote: >i586 is the Pentium, Pentium MMX and K5 chips. >i686 is the Pentium Pro and anything based off it, including the Pentium >2, Pentium 3, Pentium IV, K6, Athlon, etc. > >Anyone else want to divulge some details on compatibility between them? > > > Where does the K7 fit in? Does that imply Athlon? Homer Whittaker From pberry2 at cfl.rr.com Wed Jun 22 11:29:20 2005 From: pberry2 at cfl.rr.com (Wise Linux User) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] i586 vs. i686? In-Reply-To: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1678854@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> References: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1678854@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> Message-ID: <200506221129.20201.pberry2@cfl.rr.com> On Wednesday 22 June 2005 09:54 am, Damien McKenna wrote: > i586 is the Pentium, Pentium MMX and K5 chips. > i686 is the Pentium Pro and anything based off it, including the Pentium > 2, Pentium 3, Pentium IV, K6, Athlon, etc. > > Anyone else want to divulge some details on compatibility between them? They all seem to run fine, for me and the children, on Linux! Not so on Microsoft windows. It is getting hard to find any Microsoft products / drivers for most of them, and, for the support chips on mainboards that are of the vintage that they need, considering that many of us get our computers and parts used, with little documentation or support software. Yes, I know how to go and get all the website stuff, but, some products have not been maintained after a few years, by their makers, due to mergers, and the expense of maintaining that data.. But, seems tha the AMD 64 bit cpu combo with mainboards have dropped significantly, so that it is almost time to dump all my older hardware, anyway, and switch to full featured 64 bit OSes, with the huge number of 64 bit apps that exist in the Open Source world. Many of my sub 300mhz processors/mainboards could be used as IPCOP boxes. -- Check these out: http://knopper.net/knoppix http://livecdlist.com http://distrowatch.com http://yolinux.com http://safeharbordome.com From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Wed Jun 22 11:21:38 2005 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] i586 vs. i686? Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1678871@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> > Where does the K7 fit in? Does that imply Athlon? The 32bit Athlons are K7, the Athlon64s and Opterons are K8. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From thebs413 at earthlink.net Wed Jun 22 11:45:23 2005 From: thebs413 at earthlink.net (Bryan J. Smith ) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] TheBS dances another "I told you so" jig -- WAS: i586 vs. i686? Message-ID: <29025437.1119455124331.JavaMail.root@wamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: Wise Linux User > But, seems tha the AMD 64 bit cpu combo with mainboards have dropped > significantly, so that it is almost time to dump all my older hardware, > anyway, and switch to full featured 64 bit OSes, with the huge number of 64 > bit apps that exist in the Open Source world. Didn't I say this last year? That by spring/summer the Athlon64 would be commodity? [ TheBS dances another "I told you so" jig at the expense of at least 1 PC_Support subscriber -- although not Patrick. ] Even the 32-bit only Sempron for Socket-754 is now their "value" platform, and no longer Socket-A/462. -- Bryan J. Smith mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org From paddy at ij.net Thu Jun 23 07:48:40 2005 From: paddy at ij.net (paddy) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Cornerstone ?? Message-ID: <42BAA198.2050607@ij.net> Does anyone know what happened to Cornerstone Peripherals Technology, Inc.. I have a 21" P1500 CRT monitor and was searching to see if they manufactured LCD's but I cannot find any mention of the company. There website leads me to an outfit called Hurricane Electric which makes me think they have gone out of business. Any knowledge is appreciated. TIA Paddy From whittake at sbaflorida.com Fri Jun 24 12:55:18 2005 From: whittake at sbaflorida.com (Homer Whittaker) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] AMD 64 DVD / Debian or Suse Message-ID: <42BC3AF6.2090201@sbaflorida.com> Do the specifications or manufacturer or whatever of the computer DVD's make any difference for use in an AMD64 machine with an ASUS K8V SE Deluxe motherboard? I could not find anything in the manual that addresses this. I know that it should not, but I have learned that I get bit in the butt everytime I ASSume something! Homer Whittaker From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Fri Jun 24 13:45:13 2005 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] AMD 64 DVD / Debian or Suse Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1678904@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> > Do the specifications or manufacturer or whatever of the > computer DVD's make any difference for use in an AMD64 machine > with an ASUS K8V SE Deluxe motherboard? An IDE drive is a IDE drive. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From whittake at sbaflorida.com Fri Jun 24 16:25:06 2005 From: whittake at sbaflorida.com (Homer Whittaker) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] AMD 64 DVD / Debian or Suse In-Reply-To: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1678904@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> References: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1678904@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> Message-ID: <42BC6C22.1030107@sbaflorida.com> Damien McKenna wrote: >>Do the specifications or manufacturer or whatever of the >>computer DVD's make any difference for use in an AMD64 machine >>with an ASUS K8V SE Deluxe motherboard? >> >> > >An IDE drive is a IDE drive. > > > Guess I was not sweating the IDE drive but rather the AMD 64 drivers for any given DVD drive. Specifically, I am looking at the Toshiba SD-R5372 which is a rewriteable drive designed for the dual layer format. They are claiming up to 8.5G of data for the cd's. Since burning software is not included I can only assume that there are AMD 64 drivers available. Homer Whittaker From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Fri Jun 24 16:31:22 2005 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] AMD 64 DVD / Debian or Suse Message-ID: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1678911@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> > Guess I was not sweating the IDE drive but rather the AMD 64 > drivers for any given DVD drive. What OS? > They are claiming up to 8.5G of data for the cd's. "DVDs" ;-) Dual layer is a pretty expensive technology today, and quite slow too. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - Damien.McKenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From dsimmons at powersmiths.com Fri Jun 24 16:30:04 2005 From: dsimmons at powersmiths.com (David Simmons) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] AMD 64 DVD / Debian or Suse In-Reply-To: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1678911@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> References: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1678911@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> Message-ID: <1119645004.6276.23.camel@suse.something.com> On Fri, 2005-06-24 at 16:31 -0400, Damien McKenna wrote: > > They are claiming up to 8.5G of data for the cd's. > > "DVDs" ;-) Dual layer is a pretty expensive technology today, and quite > slow too. I beg to differ with you on this....the media might still be expensive (about $3 per disk).....but the Dual Layer drives - while being fairly price competitive with standard writable DVD drives, because they are fairly 'new' usually come in the QUICKER speeds 8x+ Give that you're trying to write ALOT of info - that just takes time, but the drives are by no means slow!? Maybe I just misunderstood you. dave From whittake at sbaflorida.com Fri Jun 24 17:29:14 2005 From: whittake at sbaflorida.com (Homer Whittaker) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] AMD 64 DVD / Debian or Suse In-Reply-To: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1678911@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> References: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1678911@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> Message-ID: <42BC7B2A.1000803@sbaflorida.com> Damien McKenna wrote: >>Guess I was not sweating the IDE drive but rather the AMD 64 >>drivers for any given DVD drive. >> >> > >What OS? > > I currently have Suse 64 on the machine, but when I finallized (order) the DVD Burner I intend to put the Debian AMD 64 on also. Additionally, I have ordered some of the Ubantu AMD 64 disks, but they seem to be quite slow in getting their orders filled, at least it seems long to me. > > >>They are claiming up to 8.5G of data for the cd's. >> >> > >"DVDs" ;-) Dual layer is a pretty expensive technology today, and quite >slow too. > > I tend to agree with David on this. As I understand it, the outer ends of the disks start out slow but they then speed up to 16x when they get down to the end. I believe that they are supposed to average 8x. The Toshiba delivers from Mwave right at $49.90 for the black face unit. The beige front is about $10 higher. My machines are not the prettiest ones in town so black does not bother me. Homer Whittaker From tec at homemail.bjt.net Fri Jun 24 18:49:14 2005 From: tec at homemail.bjt.net (Thomas Carlson) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Now that my nvidia geforce 2 gts card is classified as "legacy" anyone want to comment on a budget replacement Message-ID: <1119653354.2804.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Folks, I've been looking at the Geforce 6200 w/the nv43 chip in it. It goes for around 80 bucks. I'd like to be able to use it with Unreal Tournament on Linux; specifically Fedora Core 4 on a shuttle xpc system-P4 2.4 with 1gb of ram. Any comments would be much appreciated. Thomas From m9u35g at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 19:09:08 2005 From: m9u35g at gmail.com (Justin M. Keyes) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Now that my nvidia geforce 2 gts card is classified as "legacy" anyone want to comment on a budget replacement In-Reply-To: <1119653354.2804.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1119653354.2804.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46f680d05062416092a3cea81@mail.gmail.com> UT screams on my GeForce 4 Ti4200, so the 6200 will do just fine. On 6/24/05, Thomas Carlson wrote: > Folks, > > I've been looking at the Geforce 6200 w/the nv43 chip in it. It goes for > around 80 bucks. I'd like to be able to use it with Unreal Tournament on > Linux; specifically Fedora Core 4 on a shuttle xpc system-P4 2.4 with > 1gb of ram. > > Any comments would be much appreciated. > > Thomas > > _______________________________________________ > Pc_support mailing list > Pc_support@matrixlist.com > http://lists.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support > -- Justin Keyes From thebs413 at earthlink.net Fri Jun 24 19:18:34 2005 From: thebs413 at earthlink.net (Bryan J. Smith ) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Now that my nvidia geforce 2 gts card is classified as "legacy" anyone want to comment on a budget replacement Message-ID: <25458892.1119655115019.JavaMail.root@wamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: "Justin M. Keyes" > UT screams on my GeForce 4 Ti4200, so the 6200 will do just fine. Yes, either: - GeForce4 Ti4200-4800, or a - GeForce 6200-6800 series If you get a GeForce 6200 series, note there are 2 versions: - _Real_ GeForce 6200 with 64MB or, more often, 128MB - "TurboCache" models with _only_ 16MB, 32MB or 64MB The "TurboCache" models are marketed with 4x the memory that they actually have. 64MB=16MB, 128MB=32MB, 256MB=64MB. If you get a "TurboCache" don't consider anything less than 256MB. But in reality, you can get a _real_ 128MB card for no more money. _Avoid_ the GeForce FX series, only the expensive FX5900 can "keep up" with the GeForce 6200 128MB. The FX5200 and FX5500 are _slouches_, and the FX5700"LE" is _crippled_ from the original. -- Bryan J. Smith mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org From thebs413 at earthlink.net Fri Jun 24 19:19:52 2005 From: thebs413 at earthlink.net (Bryan J. Smith ) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: Now that my nvidia geforce 2 gts card is classified as "legacy" anyone want to comment on a budget replacement Message-ID: <7102042.1119655192257.JavaMail.root@wamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: "Bryan J. Smith " > Yes, either: > - GeForce4 Ti4200-4800, or a > - GeForce 6200-6800 series BTW, the AGP GeForce 6800 128MB (non-GT/Ultra) has come down to $150 these days. -- Bryan J. Smith mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org From damien at mc-kenna.com Fri Jun 24 21:04:24 2005 From: damien at mc-kenna.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] AMD 64 DVD / Debian or Suse In-Reply-To: <1119645004.6276.23.camel@suse.something.com> References: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1678911@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> <1119645004.6276.23.camel@suse.something.com> Message-ID: <42BCAD98.50006@mc-kenna.com> David Simmons wrote: >>"DVDs" ;-) Dual layer is a pretty expensive technology today, and quite slow too. >> >> >I beg to differ with you on this....the media might still be expensive >(about $3 per disk).....but the Dual Layer drives - while being fairly >price competitive with standard writable DVD drives, because they are >fairly 'new' usually come in the QUICKER speeds 8x+ > > I'm talking about the media and technology as a whole. If you have to pay extra for them over a non-DL drive *and* the media is substantially more expensive (you can get 100 DVD-R discs for $50 = $0.50 each vs $3 for DL) then it doesn't make it worth it. Then again, I didn't realize they'd gotten to 8x on DL yet. -- Damien McKenna, husband, father, geek. damien@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/ From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sun Jun 26 16:14:50 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] nVidia G70 (GeForce 7800 GTX) Message-ID: <1119816890.5863.18.camel@bert64.mobile.smithconcepts.com> Well, nVidia has released a new series of video card. What was previously known as the NV47 is no longer. This baby is brand new, and actually little "conservative" in design. I mean, it only takes up 1 slot, yet bests the 2 slot, supercooled and overclocked GeForce 6800 Ultra. At the same time, it spanks both the 6800 Ultra as well as ATI's R520 (Radeon X850) silly, let alone the 1 slot GeForce 6800GT. And despite it's 302M transistors, it only uses 100W, typical of the 6800 series too. Moving to a 110nm (0.11um) processes has helped. And the 430MHz GPU and 600MHz DDR3 clock isn't really much beyond the 6800 Ultra (and even the 6800 Ultra Extreme was 450MHz). There's clearly far more potential in the design, and overclockers will rejoice once again. But internally, the design is even more capable than before -- yet to be tapped by new OpenGL 2.0 titles, or the much delayed even beyond NT 6.0 "Longhorn" release Windows Graphics Foundations (WGF 2.0, fka "DirectX 10"). Thank God nVidia's introduce of a GPU that was slower until enabled with newer features (and even then it didn't always help enough, especially on the lower-end cards) was a "fluke" left to the NV3x "FX" series (especially the FX5200, FX5500 and the ultra-crippled FX5700"LE"), and not repeated here. Also included is new, _high_definition_ video in/video out (VIVO), although nVidia's track record on video support is not the best. They seem to be much less interested in tying up transistor logic for this than ATI, although such nVidia 2D interfaces aren't so proprietary either (just the 3D, although ATI has been the same on 3D since the R300 series), giving Linux support a good probability of happening. Some show-stoppers for some are the lack of even a planned AGP offering, and DVI seems to be the requirement, or at least analog VGA (mini-DB15) is not offered in the SLI setup right now. This is clearly a "high-end" board at $600+. Although only 256MB is offered, which is curious given the fact that a 512MB 6800GT/Ultra is now available. Maybe that's something for just the professional crowd. It will be interesting to see when we might expect more entry level cards of the 7000 series. The Sony PlayStation 3 (PS3) is going to ship a G70 that is similar, although fabbed on a 90nm (0.09um) process -- possibly a little lower power and other limitations for its use. I can only assume that once the 6000 series goes by the wayside in 12-15 months, we'll probably see a low-end 7000 series for AGP with VGA for legacy systems. AnandTech review: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2451 Tom's Hardware articles/reviews: http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050621/index.html http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050622/index.html -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- It is mathematically impossible for someone who makes more than you to be anything but richer than you. Any tax rate that penalizes them will also penalize you similarly (to those below you, and then below them). Linear algebra, let alone differential calculus or even ele- mentary concepts of limits, is mutually exclusive with US journalism. So forget even attempting to explain how tax cuts work. ;-> From damien at mc-kenna.com Sun Jun 26 16:27:36 2005 From: damien at mc-kenna.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Video streaming? Message-ID: <42BF0FB8.3020508@mc-kenna.com> Anyone have suggestions for a program to stream video from one computer to another? I'd like to be able to stream video from our desktop in a back room to a laptop in the living room (via 100mbit ethernet). Any suggestions? Thanks. -- Damien McKenna, husband, father, geek. damien@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/ From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sun Jun 26 18:07:28 2005 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Re: AMD 64 DVD / Debian or Suse -- GSA-4613 = $50 In-Reply-To: <42BCAD98.50006@mc-kenna.com> References: <5C9DC445A45FEC4185D272DAF6AF37D1678911@tlc001.tlcusa.thelimucompany.com> <1119645004.6276.23.camel@suse.something.com> <42BCAD98.50006@mc-kenna.com> Message-ID: <1119823648.5863.24.camel@bert64.mobile.smithconcepts.com> On Fri, 2005-06-24 at 21:04 -0400, Damien McKenna wrote: > I'm talking about the media and technology as a whole. If you have to > pay extra for them over a non-DL drive You don't. The LG Electronics GSA-4163 is $50 today. For that, you get: Write-Once: - CD-R 40x - DVD-R 8x - DVD+R 16x (CAV) - DVD+R-DL 4x (CAV) Rewrite: - CD-RW 16x (CLV) - DVD-RAM 5x (CLV) - DVD-RW 6x (CLV) - CD-RW 24x (CAV) - DVD+RW 8x (CAV) > *and* the media is substantially more expensive (you can get 100 > DVD-R discs for $50 = $0.50 each vs $3 for DL) then it doesn't make > it worth it. Then just buy the drive now. > Then again, I didn't realize they'd gotten to 8x on DL yet. Hmmm, I wasn't aware either. Must be only in brand new drives. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- It is mathematically impossible for someone who makes more than you to be anything but richer than you. Any tax rate that penalizes them will also penalize you similarly (to those below you, and then below them). Linear algebra, let alone differential calculus or even ele- mentary concepts of limits, is mutually exclusive with US journalism. So forget even attempting to explain how tax cuts work. ;-> From pberry2 at cfl.rr.com Mon Jun 27 09:28:20 2005 From: pberry2 at cfl.rr.com (Wise Linux User) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:02 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] Video streaming? In-Reply-To: <42BF0FB8.3020508@mc-kenna.com> References: <42BF0FB8.3020508@mc-kenna.com> Message-ID: <200506270928.20555.pberry2@cfl.rr.com> On Sunday 26 June 2005 04:27 pm, Damien McKenna wrote: > Anyone have suggestions for a program to stream video from one computer > to another? I'd like to be able to stream video from our desktop in a > back room to a laptop in the living room (via 100mbit ethernet). Any > suggestions? Thanks. I do know that the project to re-broadcast TV is in the works, called Demo TV http://www.broadcast-machine.com/ Targeted more towards RSS feeding to communities, etc. and, there are streaming TV options, but, the turf is constantly changing, so you'll need to search http://sourceforge.net and http://google.com/linux -- Check these out: http://knopper.net/knoppix http://livecdlist.com http://distrowatch.com http://yolinux.com http://safeharbordome.com From whittake at sbaflorida.com Thu Jun 30 04:40:31 2005 From: whittake at sbaflorida.com (Homer Whittaker) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:17:03 2006 Subject: [Pc_Support] AMD 64 Dilema Message-ID: <42C3AFFF.6060006@sbaflorida.com> I am a loss as to the "best" way to do the following: My main machine has Debian 3.1, and is an x386 machine with two hard drives, one a 40 G and the second a 120 G. The second hard drive has very little on it, and anything that is on it is expendable. I have another machine that is a Suse 9.0 /64 and has an Asus AMD 64 board with 1 G memory and a 450 W P/S. This machine has a 30 G hard drive and the second drive is 40 G. I hate the Suse 9.1 and additionally Suse mounted the OS on the second drive when I was not paying attention, while the boot is on the first drive. To the best of my recollection there is nothing on the first drive except /boot. My dilema is that I would like to make the AMD 64 my main machine and add Debian 64 as well as Ubantu 64. Hardware wise, I would like to switch the 120 G hard drive for one of the smaller drives on the AMD 64 machine. The Suse OS is a pig and seems to want to control everything, like calling the drives hard drives /hde and /hdf with the cd and dvd being /hdg and /hdh. In /dev they have /dev/dos-hda0.../dev/dos-hda1 and /dev/dos-hdb0 ... /dos-hdb15 as well as the normal /dev/hda, etc. This is where I start to get lost because I do not know what will happen after I switch hard drives and put the Debian 64 and Ubantu 64 on this revised box. Any suggestions so that I can trade machines and still not lose too much data? Homer Whittaker